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Kamala Harris’s running mate urges popular vote system but campaign says issue is not part of Democrats’ agenda

Tim Walz, the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, has called for the electoral college system of electing US presidents to be abolished and replaced with a popular vote principle, as operates in most democracies.

His comments – to an audience of party fundraisers – chime with the sentiments of a majority of American voters but risk destabilising the campaign of Kamala Harris, the Democratic presidential candidate, who has not adopted a position on the matter, despite having previously voiced similar views.

"I think all of us know, the electoral college needs to go," Walz told donors at a gathering at the home of the California governor, Gavin Newsom. "We need a national popular vote. We need to be able to go into York, Pennsylvania, and win. We need to be in western Wisconsin and win. We need to be in Reno, Nevada, and win."


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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago

Tim Walz is 100% correct. Dump the out dated Electoral College.

[–] kelargo@lemmy.world 17 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Rank choice voting for all federal elections

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 12 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)
[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Appreciate the links. This is kind of my thing.

Edit: As a big Ranked Choice voting advocate, this was a interesting and informative read. I never did think about this particular situation:

RCV doesn’t take all rankings from all ballots into account and so is not the most accurate way of counting ranked ballots. If your first choice candidate is eliminated in later rounds your second, third, or fourth choices may never be counted. (Ranked Pairs, Schultz, and Bucklin Voting are much more accurate ways to count ranked ballots.)

I will need to go over this a few more times, but it seems I am going to switch my preference to STAR as well because of your comment.

Really anything other then First-past-the-post will do, but it's nice to look ahead and plan for a future where people are free to vote for who best represents them.

Thanks again.

[–] Jyek@sh.itjust.works 29 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I think I want him to be president.

[–] Gargantuanthud@lemmy.ca 12 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

That would fit the pattern (provided Harris wins) Obama/Biden -> Biden/Harris -> Harris/Walz -> Walz/??

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Gargantuanthud@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 hours ago

Yes! Bring it full circle. I love it.

[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 7 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Maybe.

Walz really is the ideal politician but he might be rough around the edges after 8 years. He already looks a bit older than what he is and I don't consider his speaking to be quite as good as Harris's. It would preferential if we started looking towards building up younger politicians within the party with people like Walz providing support.

[–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 10 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

We really do tend to vote for charisma over statesmanship, which is incredibly problematic.

[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I feel that but society has been like that forever. Trust me, it used to be something that frustrated me excessively but I've just come to accept that even throughout history people are just shallow.

[–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

One could argue you can learn to be a statesman, but charisma is something innate.

[–] Subverb@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

ls that the kind of man you need? Loquacious type?

[–] exemplariasuntomni@lemmings.world 71 points 1 day ago (21 children)

We are all slaves to the ruling class until this is done.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think we can mostly agree that the electoral college system is not working as intended. It was designed to give people outside the cities an extra boost to their representation, But it was certainly never designed to let fascism take hold.

Unfortunately there's no such thing as a fair and representative voting system. In all their cases you either end up underrepresenting the rural, over representing the rural, or forcing people to pick between candidates that they don't want.

Don't get me wrong, I'm perfectly down with what walls is calling for as it gives my intentions the best chance and at the same time will keep fascism from just popping in because they're good at propaganda. But I'd still like to see some other way.

[–] CompostMaterial@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I always hear that excuse about the rural areas not being represented without the electoral college, but my only reaction is GOOD. Rural areas are large in land ans small in people. Why should they get an equal voice as a Metropolitan area with the majority of people? A government is supposed to reflect the will of the people. The not ALL the people, that would be impossible, but but an average of the majority of the people.

Additionally, the government at the federal level has relatively minor impact at the local level. The federal level is broad strokes, the local government is fine strokes, and the state level is somewhere in between. Rural dwellers can run their local government however they like as long as it doesn't violate state or federal laws.

[–] tmyakal@lemm.ee 8 points 23 hours ago

The real problem is that the size of the House of Representatives has been frozen for 100 years. The number of electoral college votes a state has is equal to the number of reps and senators they have. Since the House hasn't grown alongside our population, the relative representation for rural areas has steadily grown more and more.

Ending the cap on the House would balance out the electoral college issues and help reduce the constant congressional deadlocks we're seeing.

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[–] turtletracks@lemmy.zip 6 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 44 minutes ago) (1 children)

I've always been and always will be a Ranked ~~Choice~~ Voting advocate

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Can I persuade you to consider Approval or STAR?

RCV has some structural flaws that make it less than optimal. Flaws that exist in an Ordinal voting system but RCV puts a slightly odd twist on them, in some ways making them worse.

Approval or STAR on the other hand, are both Cardinal voting systems. They work on a different core principle and thus are immune to the flaws found in Ordinal systems.

[–] turtletracks@lemmy.zip 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Honestly, I'd be happy with any sort of ranked/cardinal voting system, and it looks like STAR is just a better RCV though. RCV just seems like the most likely to pick up steam in the US, tough I could be mistaken

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 2 points 51 minutes ago

RCV does have some money behind it, but it also has some deep-seated structural problems that come up with disturbing regularity.

Which leads to a situation where the results of an RCV election can be so bad that the district/state decides to axe voting reform entirely and go back to First Past the Post.

This has happened a few times now, and it sets efforts for real voting reform back. If you walk into Burlington, Vermont and say "I have voting reform that will fix the problems of First Past the Post" They will tell you to fuck off because they tried RCV, and it failed horribly because it's a bad system.

So an attempt to get STAR going will face that much more pushback. So it's better for everyone to resist RCV and push for STAR or Approval.

Approval has gotten some wins, and is also picking up steam. I'd be happy with it, even though STAR is slightly better.

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