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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I hope people realize that the solution isn’t really to just not buy one, especially since this is the way the industry is heading. The solution is regulations, strict regulations.

Stuff like this should be a slam dunk for congress but we all know which side they are on.

[–] namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Agreed. It's really hard to understate how ineffective "voting with your wallet" can be. The fact is simply that nobody honestly cares. Even if you get 100 people to boycott a company, would 100 out of millions of consumers really make a difference? Of course not.

And of course, you always have cases like this where everybody does it. Same thing goes for TVs - if everyone spies on you, the only real solution is to not have a TV. Yes, I know there are exceptions here and there, but bad practices like these force buyers into making compromises that they shouldn't have to. Capitalism should be predicated on companies offering the best product to earn their income. It should not be about companies having the least bad product and trying every terrible thing that they can get away with.

(Of course, we all know that capitalism is a farce.)

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Even if you get 100 people to boycott a company, would 100 out of millions of consumers really make a difference?

There's definitely an economic impact to a vehicle looking or driving like shit. And I'm sure you'll see some amount of consumer migration higher than 0.01% of the retail base.

But there's also a lot of obfuscation, deception, and outright lying in the automotive sales industry. So its less a question of "Will consumers reject this feature?" and more "Will consumers even be aware of this feature?"

Capitalism should be predicated on companies offering the best product

What happens when the retail customers have be commodified? What happens when the product is Surveillance and the real big money clients are state actors and private mega-businesses that benefit from tracking rented vehicles?

As we move closer to a full Service Contract economic model - one in which individuals don't really own anything and have to continuously pay to access even basic features of their home devices - I can see a lot of financial incentives in the system that preclude car dealers from leaving these features out.

Imagine a bank that simply won't finance vehicles that can't be tracked. Or a rental company that won't add vehicles to their fleet without these always-on internet features. Or a car lot that uses continuous tracking to manage its inventory.

Very quickly, the individual consumer becomes a secondary concern relative to these economies of scale.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

The solution is regulations, strict regulations.

Regulation by whom? Dems are already deep in bed with the automotive industry and Republicans hate the government on a purely ideological level.

Who is supposed to write (much less enforce) these regulations? Nobody in government wants the job.

[–] Lets_Eat_Grandma@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Call me an asshole but I think giving driving habit information to insurers is great, so long as good habits are given discounts and bad habits are punished.

I'm one of those people who would love automatic enforcement of driving laws as well as user reportable incidents of other drivers (given you can provide footage of something you're reporting.)

If people don't like living under the law... maybe the law shouldn't exist. "That's the way it is" is a terrible excuse for fucking anything.

Oh, and make audit trails for this shit public record. Someone creating AI videos or fake reports? Punish that too. It'll never happen though. People want laws for others, not themselves.

[–] fukurthumz420@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

no thanks. i hate the entire concept of insurance (especially lawfully forced insurance). there's no way i want them spying on me.

there are parts of the west where there's not another car for miles. why should i be punished for minor infractions on a lonely country road when i put no one but myself at risk? this is the same as getting ticketed by a camera for running a red light in the middle of nowhere.

if the law and technology becomes a tool of oppression, it no longer serves a useful purpose for mankind.

[–] bleistift2@feddit.de 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

We cannot stop collecting data about you because collecting the datum that you want to stop having your data collected failed.

I wonder if the situation in Europe is different, where such bullshit is illegal.

[–] StaySquaredUp@sh.itjust.works -1 points 4 months ago

Please, Toyota, don't do this. They refuse to go full out EV. Hopefully they too decide to keep some of these technologies away from their products.