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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.

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submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee to c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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[X-post, and trying out this sub]

It's also funny that rather than removing all of my comments, they just decided to remove those I referenced and one particular reply, meaning whoever they were they cared more about the narrative and making the conversation unintelligible so that in the framing that was left people could just fill in the gaps just based on the downvotes and the accusations.

Like I said to some people and now extend to the mod,

I love how people like you are the flip side equal of Trump people warping reality to shit on it. Same bullshit, both sides aren't equal but people like you certainly resemble them closer.

ITT, people who couldn't comprehend cult psychology (and given the inherent Stanford prison experiment abuse within it, any psychology) or even the inevitable conclusion of what they are claiming and accuse me for being ignorant of what I'm literally alluding to in the first comment.

Even supposing that there was some legitimacy to the removals, it's telling how selective it was and where it wasn't. And literally labeling nuance "trolling" in a circlejerk meme reddit ... probably makes sense. But still, imagine being so fragile the huge number of downvotes could not do it for you.

Some of you really want to divide society as much as MAGA does. My message didn't neatly fit into the circlejerk meme, so I guess I must be "trolling, or worse" - amazing.

I can also confirm, can't delete or edit the comments to provide context, but people can still vote on comments that have been removed. Huh, didn't think I'd find something like this reddit was so clearly better at. So now I guess I know why they decided to selectively remove comments and framed the thread into what has been left.

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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -3 points 2 days ago

LemmyWorld politics is lemmyworld/Democrats.

[+] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee -6 points 2 weeks ago

Repeating what I stated in another thread, because it also acts as a summary:

There was absolutely no "sympathy for Neo-Nazism". I never denied the association, I just made a point of that stands on its own, akin to that "Not everyone who supports Trump is a Nick Fuentes character, of course" and even when flawed if labeled as something worse just pushes them away to be influenced by people like Trump. "Not everyone who supports Trump is a Nick Fuentes character, of course", a point which you have just made. Should you be banned for it? Because I sort of feel I was. I never "started at a position that entertains the hateful argument or association as legitimate". You are shifting the argument to an extreme caricature.

Explain to me how the following leads to all that you are claiming:

This was the post:

https://lemm.ee/post/42673367/14912144

I replied:

If someone has a flaw and you accuse them of being much worse than it is, it does push them away and make them think that maybe other people who are also getting accused unjustly, making them more willing to listen and get influenced by those people. The probability they get lulled into a bubble becomes much higher. It's why a lot of families that trusted each other have been broken up by politics.

This comic had been reposted before but it is also incredibly reductive. But if you seriously believe those other guys are that bad, just break out into a civil/world war already, there's basically no other way to solve that problem... Maybe the US really should dissolve into multiple nations.

To critics who just strawmanned the argument or alluded to extreme misrepresentation, I replied:

I love how people like you are the flip side equal of Trump people warping reality to shit on it. Same bullshit, both sides aren’t equal but people like you certainly resemble them closer.

I expanded upon my comment by replying:

The MAGA movement definitely plays on and has racist undertones. But everything I’ve said still stands, and you are still only seeing extremes. Maybe the nerve that was hit was you pissing on centuries of psychology about cults and how people like you are as willing as them to burn bridges.

To claims that my original comment was reductive while believing they were that flawed, I replied:

It is reductive, mostly because I’m not capable of considering someone redeemable and irredeemable at the same time. Take your pick. It is a two way street, and you see them as that flawed and they certainly aren’t going to cross outside of their bubble, no chance to ever meet on that street.

I don’t live in lala land, but then again, I’m not the one seeing all of them that flawed. To me, that’s like saying that every member of a cult that went to do something infamous was despicable, it shows zero psychological awareness.

And when they did eventually recognize it was like a cult, I replied:

Then either they are that flawed and are really literal Nazis getting their Nazi tattoos, or they get increasingly sucked into participating within a cult, take your pick.

You know one way that helps them carve off people from the wider populace? Being accused of having a flaw greater than it really is, carving them away from those they should be sticking to from their side and letting them be pulled into the cult’s bubble. And for many, that flaw is simply being senile, not racist, and even then still generally needing a fair dose of cult programming to eventually instill those racist sentiments.

When people thought I just should read up on Nazis and that I didn't realize the parallels,

The problem is on your side, not seeing that that was also what happened to those pulled into the Nazi cult of personality.

If someone has a flaw and you accuse them of being much worse than it is, it does push them away and make them think that maybe other people who are also getting accused unjustly, making them more willing to listen and get influenced by those people. The probability they get lulled into a bubble becomes much higher. It's why a lot of families that trusted each other have been broken up by politics.

This comic had been reposted before but it is also incredibly reductive. But if you seriously believe those other guys are that bad, just break out into a civil/world war already, there’s basically no other way to solve that problem… Maybe the US really should dissolve into multiple nations.

The fact that you are as oblivious as a Trumper to it when I literally mention world war in my second sentence is astounding, but not surprising.

I was flippant, but I stand behind my argument. And it stands, now reproduced in several threads whereas before it would have stood downvoted and I would not have cared. I will continue to make it, because society is as it is right now because too many people just want to burn bridges. The outcome of that seems inevitable to me, specially when people will just resort to extremes.

And like I've said, even supposing the ban was justified, the selective removal of comments is very questionable and hints at something else.