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An officer in upstate New York shot and killed a teen fleeing while pointing a replica gun, police said Saturday.

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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 125 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Hey I'll give them some credit with that headline.

Not "13-year-old killed in police shooting" or "a 13-year old died during a police interaction" etc. Nope, they fully went with "Police in New York shoot and kill 13-year-old." Thank you, PBS.

Also -

The shooting happened Friday night after officers in Utica stopped two youths at around 10:18 p.m.

One of them fled and pointed what appeared to be a handgun at the officers, according to a statement by the Utica Police Department.

I'll be interested to see when that footage is released and what it contains.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 68 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The department said it is also aware of a video circulating on social media of the incident but warned that it does not portray the incident in its entirety.

I have a feeling the officially released footage might also not portray the incident in its entirety..

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

If it shows a kid running and pointing what appeared to be a handgun, then that'll be a pretty big part of the incident...

[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Watch it actually be 3 kids with Arizona Iced Teas and Skittles.

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[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 98 points 4 months ago (5 children)

"I'd rather kill 100 innocent kids than retreat from one dangerous criminal." /s

[–] lemmyng@lemmy.ca 40 points 4 months ago

You misspelled "then".

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 9 points 4 months ago

Yeah, like what are the stats on 13 year olds actually shooting cops vs. just having toy guns? Like at some point you gotta realize it's probably not actually a threat and proceed more cautiously.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago

Fuck if it doesn't seem true.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

"¿Por qué no los dos?" - Uvalde cops.

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 50 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Shame he didn't have a school to hide in

[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Yeah it stung me too lol

[–] TheGoldenGod@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago

Fleeing, and pointing a pellet gun? Not sure I buy the story, based on that alone.

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 36 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

One of them fled and pointed what appeared to be a handgun at the officers, according to a statement by the Utica Police Department.

If the footage confirms this, it makes sense that the officer shot him. Don't point guns or gun replicas at people.

But they were fleeing and pointed a gun at him? Either the reporting is shitty or it did not happen like the police say it happened.

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago (5 children)

You can run and point a gun backwards/shoot in their general direction.

[–] Texas_Hangover@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

Patsy Parisi over here.

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[–] blady_blah@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

The bystander video is shown here: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1188314849017274

Video shows three cops chasing a suspect. The first cop tackles the kid and proceeds to punch him. The second cop run up with gun drawn and shots the kid in less than a second while the first cop is still busy wrestling.

IMHO, the 2nd cop's shooting was incredibly unsafe since he was shooting a suspect wrestling another cop from less than 1 foot away. As far as I can tell, the cop basically ran up to the kid, put his gun to his head, and pulled the trigger. You can not tell from THIS video if there was a gun in the kids hand, but I can't believe the first cop would not have tackled him if there was! There is no way this is a good shooting.

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] blady_blah@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Thank you. It should be fixed now.

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If the police were also armed with pellet guns, this never would have happened.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

The only way to stop a bad guy with pellets is a good guy with pellets.

[–] Melody@lemmy.one 18 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I should point out that pellet guns do not have a 'Day-Glo Safety Orange/Red' tip.

As they do eject actually harmful projectiles; they look much like other guns until you get close to them. Reasonable parenting would have included making sure the child understood that under no circumstances do you point that at people.

That doesn't make this less of a tragedy, but it does provide some context to the situation. Cops are, sadly, trained out of necessity not to try to discern when on the receiving end of any gun barrel. While it's difficult to expect a child to know not to point weapons at police; doing so is in fact dangerous.

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[–] Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com 7 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Outcome is unfortunate but pointing a gun, replica or not, at an officer has always been a very bad idea. Nothing is different now vs 30 years ago.

Do we as a society really need reminding don't point weapons at police? Don't do it folks.

[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 58 points 4 months ago (15 children)

Your flaw is that you're taking the police at their word. Why the fuck would a 13 year old point a pellet gun at the cops?

If I see footage that corroborates their story I'll believe it. Until then, I'm assuming the murderer is also a liar. ACAB

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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Do we as a society really need reminding don’t point weapons at police? Don’t do it folks.

Do we need a reminder that kids aren't mini-adults, and they do stupid things sometimes? In any case, I'll believe he pointed it at them when I see a video of it.

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[–] frickineh@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I can see that. I guess where I have an issue is that the old white guy who shot up a Planned Parenthood a few years back was taken alive (and he's far from the only example) and it's like, why is it that they can negotiate and talk guys like that down but don't bother to even attempt to de-escalate with brown kids? Or brown adults, really.

[–] ynazuma@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Kid was Asian. Police violence on Asians is comparable to caucasians

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Police are allowed to point weapons at you and not expect return fire. It's not considered self defense if you return fire even if the police burst into your home in the middle of the night and don't announce themselves. 2nd amendment rights are simply an advertisement for the gun industry to sell more weapons and ammunition and has nothing to do with self defense especially from the state.

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[–] sunzu@kbin.run 7 points 4 months ago

I think most people would agree and understand but can't we expect a bit of common sense from the police.

This death was unnecessary but legal under our laws.

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