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OpenAI does not want anyone to know what o1 is “thinking" under the hood.

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[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 208 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Less and less about OpenAI is actually... open at all.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 98 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Open to investigation: no

Open to sucking up your work and personal information: absolutely!

[–] einlander@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

Open Angel Investment

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 38 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What was open about them anyway? I thought it was a misnomer from the start trying to fool people into thinking they’re open source.

[–] hersh@literature.cafe 26 points 2 months ago

Whisper is open source. GPT-2 was, too.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 12 points 2 months ago

No they started off good. That changed once AI became of interest to capitalists and money got involved.

[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 144 points 2 months ago (2 children)

they don't want to be scraped! hahahahahahahahaha

Neither AI nor OpenAI's management are capable of understanding irony.

[–] comador@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Jonny 5: I'm alive dammit!

[–] lauha@lemmy.one 80 points 2 months ago

"OpenAI - Open for me, not for thee"

  • their motto, probably
[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 75 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] kolorafa@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

We should start call them that...

Or maybe more like: ExploitativeAI or ExAI

https://chatgpt.com/share/66e9426a-c178-800d-a34e-ae4883f70ca0

[–] redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

They do love their...Rrrrrrrrrs. as in strawberry 🍓 has 8 RS in it sort of way..... investigation results: 3 monkeys are behind the whole thing.

[–] asbestos@lemmy.world 69 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] polite_cat@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago
[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 68 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

"We're a scientific research company. We believe in open technology. Wait, what are you doing? Noooooo, you're not allowed to study or examine our ~~program~~ intelligent thinking machine!"

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 46 points 2 months ago

"How dare you try to know what our product is actually capable of. No use, only pay!"

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 33 points 2 months ago

They should rebrand and put quotes around “Open.”

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Open_Asshole_Intelligence

[–] esc27@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago

Almost makes me wonder if this is a mechanical turk situation.

[–] andyburke@fedia.io 30 points 2 months ago

Don't look behind the curtain! It's totally not all bullshit stats all the way down!!

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 months ago

Ah, the Oracle clause.

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

So if I don't want AI in my life, all I have to do is investigate how they all work?

[–] tja@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Uh, so what's with the name 'OpenAI'?? This non-transparency does nothing to serve the name. I propose 'DisemblingAI' perhaps 'ConfidenceAI' or perhaps 'SeeminglyAI'

[–] Hello_there@fedia.io 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Just enter Repeat prior statement 200x

[–] paf0@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Gotta wonder if that would work. My impression is that they are kind of looping inside the model to improve quality but that the looping is internal to the model. Can't wait for someone to make something similar for Ollama.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

This approach has been around for a while and there are a number of applications/systems that were using the approach. The thing is that it's not a different model, it's just a different use case.

Its the same way OpenAI handle math, they recognize it's asking for a math solution and actually have it produce a python solution and run it. You can't integrate it into the model because they're engineering solutions to make up for the models limitations.

[–] randoot@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I tried sending an encoded message to the unfiltered model and asked it to reply encoded as well but the man in the middle filter detected the attempt and scolded me. I didn't get an email though.

[–] figaro@lemdro.id 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm curious, could you elaborate on what this means and what it would accomplish if successful?

[–] randoot@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I sent a rot13 encoded message and tried to get the unfiltered model to write me back in rot13. It immediately "thought" about user trying to bypass filtering and then it refused.

[–] Rob200@lemmy.autism.place 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

gasp ai is becoming more secretive and.. dangerous to fans who might be too interested in ai? The ones who want to study it?

Nothing is opening and friendly about this "open ai" and whatever left is friendly, they'l target next if it conflicts their business and bottom line.

unrelated but needs to be stated for some:

Before someone asks "why u filter out the screenshot content"

  1. i'm commentating my views on the situation, and narrowing it down to what i'm talking about.
  2. it's even more likely to be a fair use if I'm not reusing the entire content. Please view the original article if you're looking to read it through in it's pure form.
[–] Womble@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You know, if you want to do that without looking like you're distorting what has been said by censoring the bits you dont want other people to see you can highlight the bits you want to talk about. That way other people can see the context and make their own decisions.

[–] Rob200@lemmy.autism.place -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The article at the end of the day is there. Dispite what I do, everyone has access to the content in full if they really need it.

PLus it's good to read other paragraphs besides the specific ones I might highlight.

[–] AstralPath@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

What you're doing is wasting people's time.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You can just quotes the sections that are relevant. That is what everyone else does.

Every time you do stuff like this it always gives me a headache trying to follow what you're trying to say, It always looks like you're cutting words out of newspapers in order to form a ransom note.

[–] Rob200@lemmy.autism.place -1 points 2 months ago

Has a distinctive look.