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Proper sound balancing (forum.uncomfortable.business)
submitted 2 months ago by schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business to c/musicproduction@sh.itjust.works
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So not entirely music related, but my don't-use-reddit policy and this looking like the closest not entirely dead community has led me to post sooo...

I have an audio question about recording levels. I'm doing voice-over stuff for some really bad Youtube videos I'd like to make and it never sounds remotely good.

I get that the recording volume should be just the green side of clipping, but how do you take a track, and then add it to other tracks and balance the whole thing to not sound like ass?

It always seems that it's either too loud or too quiet and I'm baffled as to how to tweak the mix correctly so that things sound right.

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[–] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Solution update:

Lots of advice, and I found what I needed: it was audio compression. This was not a thing I had a clue existed, but it's exactly what I needed.

Resolve does it natively, and having it compress the voice track, and then adding some ducking and fiddling with the volume levels resulted in closer (if not exactly) to what I was expecting/needing.

Like, that was 90% of the problem, and I'm sure the last 10% is simply a skill issue and I'll get it sorted out.

Thanks for telling me what I should be looking for, since it's kinda hard to find the answer for something when you don't know what the thing you need is called.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

Oh, I don't know if this is an issue for you, but a de-esser is another thing you may not have heard of that can make a little difference.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

In hindsight a compressor should have definitely been my first suggestion. There's a tendancy to over-complicate things. Glad it worked out for you. Feel free to post any other audio questions you may encounter here.

[–] nnullzz@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I suggest you first think about what your sources are? What microphones? Does it match the voice? How’s the proximity? How does the room sound? Can you hear the room? Not saying this is your case and it sounds harsher than what it means, but the old saying of “shit in, shit out” is always a good place to start. Check your sources.

It also sounds like compression might be needed on the vocal to level it. That way, whether you duck the BG music to the vocal, or have just vocals alone, things are even. EQ also plays a part in where stuff fits in the whole spectrum of sound.

Keep in mind that if the dynamics and equalization is off on each individual track, it’s trickier to balance stuff out bc it’s kinda untamed.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Not necessarily my area (though definitely welcome) but what are you mixing your voiceovers with? Background music? What are you finding is not sounding good? Are you looking at frequency ranges?

[–] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's a recorded audio track of the voice over being mixed (or attempted anyway) with some mellow background music because I wasn't happy with how quiet everything was. The nVidia broadcast noise removal/echo removal is really damn good, but it leads to creepy sounding videos because it's so dang quiet.

The main issue is that the audio doesn't sound good on varying headphones/devices/etc once they're added to the Davinci Resolve project, mixed, and then rendered into a video.

Don't know if it's Resolve being the problem, me being the problem, or just some fundamental understanding I lack with how you should mix two tracks, where one is very much intended to be audible, but substantially lower volume than the other.

I'm all for adding added steps if I can get the audio to be mixed and audible at a variety of volume ranges and devices.

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I've included some images that, no matter how you proceed, should give you a better understanding of frequencies, dB levels, and how to mix better.

Mixing voice into an already recorded track would need more then just volume level adjustments.

There's a bunch of methods, some better, depending on your os, software, gear, etc.

I'd be happy to help get you directed to some software based on your available setup and ability. (there's an almost infinite supply of free stuff out there for every need)

Assuming you can find a basic daw or audio software you can do the following:

The most basic way to mix vocals would be steps 1 through 4. 1 through 6 for a sharper, fuller sound. All of them for overkill but possibly the best result.

  1. Set a ceiling (the Max volume of the mix) of maybe -4db (this allows you to increase overall volume later) using a compressor or limiter.

  2. Vocals should almost always be recorded and mixed in mono. Centered. Compress / limit Around -9db max

  3. Stereo separate the music/background track. A mid-side stereo mixer would make it simple. They split the low,mid,high frequencies to sides or middle, effectively giving room for each to breathe. This track is likely already mastered so no compression, just limit to around -12db.

  4. Listen to mix. Sound OK?
    Listen in mono. Sound OK?
    You're done!

  5. I would EQ both. Cutting a space for the vocal to sit in the existing music / background track in the vocal range.
    And limiting the frequency range of the vocal track.

  6. Compressing it would be a good next step - Another post mentioned you could sidechain/duck. I agree. Have the vocal trigger compression on the background track. A multiband/dynamic eq compressor would be ideal.

  7. Then eq again for clarity and depth.

  8. Increase volume / compress up to 0db.

(Also, Composing Gloves on YouTube is amazing for theory and practical application. They use fl studio, but the mixing/mastering theory/methods are universal principals of mixing)