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I have been seeing plenty of guillhotine and mollotov jokes here, and as the title says, punching nazis.

I've been reading a book about nonviolence and anarchism, and he basically shows how we shouldn't use violence, even in extreme cases (like neo nazis).

The main argument is that the means dictates the ends, so if we want a non violent (and non opressing) society, punching people won't help.

And if it is just a joke, you should probably know that some people have been jailed for decades because of jokes like these (see: avoiding the fbi, second chapter of the book above).

Obviously im up for debate, or else I wouldn't make this post. And yes, I do stand for nonviolence.

(english is not my first language, im sorry if I made errors, or wansn't clear.)

(if this is not pertinent, I can remake this post in c/politics or something)

(the book is The Anarchist Cookbook by Keith McHenry, if you are downloading from the internet, make sure you download it from the correct author, there is another book with the same name.)

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[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Anarchism isn't non-violent. To assume anti-oppression and pacifism are one and the same is to make the same mistake Engels makes in On Authority.

Authority is violent, but violence is not authority.

Edit: on this topic I'd recommend Anark's video on Power, where he explains that anarchism seeks to create a horizontal power structure. It is not the absence of power structures, it displaces oppressive power structures with egalitarian ones.

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Ill put it like this, im serious enough about it that this is as much of it I'd ever say on the internet.

[–] scoobford@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago

I think it varies a lot by the user. I think (hope) most people are just joking, but I'm sure we have a number of people who aren't joking.

But also keep in mind we absolutely have propaganda bots and trolls here. They're quite good at directing the hivemind, even without the assistance of complete loons.

[–] SkavarSharraddas@gehirneimer.de 2 points 2 months ago

You could try laughing at them instead, but maybe then they start the punching.

Im much rather punch/kick pedos and rapists but yea sure I'll punch a nazi ig(?)

[–] Crumbgrabber@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

A general Fruit punch is usually the safest bet, as it is a universal tasty refreshing treat, but the flavor can be altered for the fascists in any given area. Try finding the most popular local fruits for your region and emphasize those. The next big consideration is should it be alcoholic or nonalcoholic, and this again varies enormously but I would urge you to go the nonalcoholic route, as some fascists may be sensitive to social pressures to imbibe when they don't yet feel perfectly comfortable.

[–] Thoven@lemdro.id 1 points 2 months ago

I took a class on nonviolent protest in college. Covered the lives and work of ghandi, MLKJ, thoreau. Very enlightening.

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