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I was just thinking in the back of my head about how cheap LEDs have made types of lighting that would've cost way too much (both to install, and in electricity usage) no longer stupidly expensive.

For example, I noticed on Amazon some cheap furniture that has LEDs/power outlets sort of integrated right into them. Looks pretty cyberpunk-ish to my eyes. And I know years ago that sort of thing would've been marked up to high heavens.

Fancy lighting in general has changed drastically in price/design.

So...what are some things, due to changes in demand or changes in tech or changes in anything...that would've been really expensive back in the day, but which no longer seem to be, making them more frugal than they used to be?

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[–] Yrt@feddit.de 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

If it's okay to go waaaaay back: salt. It's always mind-blowing to me that people all over europe during the medieval age or even before that couldn't season anything with salt cause it often was as expensive as gold itself. If I imagine those huge amounts of salt if you wanna pickle some meat or fish. Today salt costs nearly nothing, nearly everybody can afford it and it's so basic that some even don't consider it "seasoning" at all.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Aluminium once was way more expensive than gold. That's why the top of the obelisk in Washington is made from aluminum.

[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I imagine those beside the ocean must have figured out what happens when boiling sea water. But I guess it was scaling it that was an issue?

Tons of English phrases and words have salty origins, like salary.

[–] Yrt@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, the scaling and transportation. If you wanted salt near the alps it was expensive as hell and mostly the salt came from mines, but that was a very difficult task.

Salary comes from salty? Like in a good way? I know an old "word" for salt in German is "weißes Gold" (white gold).

[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sal is latin (and also French to this day) for salt. Salary referred originally to the amount of salt you received as payment.

[–] Cowbob12@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

There are no ancient sources stating that salary was literal salt bring handed to roman soldiers, I believe the current best theory is that it was "money for salt" that was given to soldiers.

[–] specseaweed@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Wikipedia functionally ended the market for encyclopedias. When I was a kid I would go to the library and read an encyclopedia just to see what random knowledge was in there. Traveling salesman would sell encyclopedias door to door and they were hugely expensive. Then Encarta came along and it was mind blowing you could have all that information on some CDs. Then Wikipedia killed all of them and did it for free.

When computers began to take hold in middle class homes, one of the biggest gold rushes was to be the encyclopedia of choice on the computer, since consumers saw encyclopedia software as an obvious (and maybe best!) use case for a computer.

[–] Forestial@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

International phone calls. Actually long distance domestic phone calls too.

[–] SpeedLimit55@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

TVs are very cheap now. The 40" Samsung LCD in my basement cost $1,200 fifteen years ago. It will soon be replaced by a 43" Samsung 4K TV that costs under $300.

DVD players used to cost $500+ and are now practically free.

I pay $15/month for xbox game pass and have access to hundreds of games. I don't own them but I can if I want to.

[–] janus2@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 months ago

TVs are cheap now because viewers are the product. From what I've heard, "dumb" TVs and other high end displays (PC monitors, TVs designed for business and education use, medical imaging displays, etc.) are still rather expensive

[–] ebikefolder@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago

Our first colour tv cost about 3 months of my dad's salary in the early 1970s. And the Siemens mainframe computer in the company he worked for was tens of thousands (which was more than a year's worth of the average salary). Rent. Every month. It had less computing power than my smartphone.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I always used to figure a decent desktop computer would cost me between $2k and $3k. That's going back to the early 90s. But even though the value of a dollar has plummeted since then, you can get a decent desktop for significantly less, maybe half.

[–] otacon239@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago

I was able to build a desktop capable of 4k60 for around $1500, and I overbuilt in places. You can definitely do okay at $1000 or less if you’re aiming for lower resolutions these days.

[–] Adalast@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

I love the fact you used LEDs as part of your post, because they themselves perfectly fit the topic of the post. Back in the 80's and early 90's, LEDs were almost prohibitively expensive. I can remember consumer LEDs in like '92 being over $2 a piece, which is a lot if you compare to today when you can get programmable RGB LEDs for less than a nickle a piece.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

If you want to go way back, books were a huge investment. Before the printing press, each one was hand copied, which took countless hours for each one. Like, one book could be comparable in to the cost of a house.

[–] Dagamant@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

UNIX

AT&T, IBM, and a few others used to charge tens of thousands of dollars for it but Berkeley and Linus Torvalds both created kernels that didn’t use any of their code and pushed UNIX into a very niche market while open source UNIX derivatives took over the market. This is vastly over simplified but UNIX now has open source derivatives that anyone can use, modify, or distribute.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I remember paying 5DM for a single blue LED. Which would be about 6 or 7 Euro adjusted for inflation.

I once paid a good months income for 16MB of RAM for my computer. Which put me into the category "the private home computer that has more RAM than all the companies' servers together".

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I once paid several hundred DM for 16 KB of RAM for my ZX81. Now get off my lawn, damn kids!

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

I skirted the ZX81. I had a self-built computer and a TI99A before and a C64 after that.