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I was watching Eric Murphy's video on "Privacy faigue" and it certainly provided some food for thought. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab6ryHD_ahQ)

I like how he conceptualizes privacy as multilevelled, with no one-size-fits-all solution, which should be tailored based on the individual's threat model.

So, with that in mind: what would y'all consider your threat model?

As far as I'm concerned I suppose my main goal is to avoid advertisements, particularly targeted advertisement. Additionally I would obviously like to avoid getting hacked, but I know I'm not being targeted particularly (and wouldn't be a worthwhile target anyway). Curious to see if I have any obvious blindspots that could be remedied based on everyone else's answers.

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[–] Deckweiss@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

I once talked with a colleague from the data-analysis field. Apparently the company they work at is somewhat in the legally grey area.

They advised other companies on hiring candidates, by scraping all possible data about them online (which included buying anonymized advertising data and correlating it to all their publically available data and the data from the application). Using that, they claim to predict worker motivation, loyalty, how often they are sick, their political alignment, what their acceptable rate is, if they are going to ask for a raise, how well they work under pressure and much much more.

Since hearing it this has basically become my thread model.

As I am writing this, I realize that it is probably time to delete my Lemmy account and never post here again lol

[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think you can stay anonymous (as in your threat model) on Lemmy as long as you use a VPN and keep your style of speech different than your "real" one

[–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

and keep your style of speech different than your “real” one

Good luck with that!

I kinda feel like you'd need to run your comments through a style transfer LLM in order to do that successfully and consistently.

[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago

Or just be extremely careful and lose your mind due to the stress like I did!

[–] SentientFishbowl@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

Jeez, that's terrifying.

[–] mynamesnotrick@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 months ago

Fucking hell.

[–] kbal@fedia.io 6 points 4 months ago

Default threat model: Some malignant demon, who is at once exceedingly potent and deceitful, has employed all his artifice to deceive me

[–] Ilandar@aussie.zone 3 points 4 months ago

I am mostly concerned with tracking from the private sector; I see privacy as more of an ethical dilemma than an immediate threat, although the corporate surveillance business model is contributing to problems in the real world (data drives social media algorithms which brainwash and radicalise people, leading to increased violence and social chaos). If there is a better alternative to some privacy-invasive big tech app or service then I will make the effort to switch to that. I am willing to sacrifice convenience to support projects that I believe are doing things the right way, or at least putting some effort into being better. However the reality is that most people, whether it's my friends and family or just acquaintances, do not share my ethical concerns and/or are unwilling to make personal sacrifices and this means I will always need to remain open to compromise to avoid isolating myself socially.

When it comes to the public sector, I am mostly interested in circumventing the federal government's mandatory data retention laws. which were imposed by a conservative government I didn't vote for. Again, this is more of an ethical decision; I believe I should have the right to opt out and if the government won't allow me to do that then the next step is to use tools like VPNs to ensure that data is less personally identifying than it otherwise would be. And again, like data collection from the private sector, my attitude towards government data collection varies depending on whether I see a reason for it to exist. Mandatory data collection of lawful civilians for vague "national security" reasons is overreach and doesn't have an obvious practical benefit, but during the worst of the COVID years I was okay with the compulsory government tracking of where I had been and when. I saw the pandemic as an immediate challenge we needed to overcome as a society and I was willing to sacrifice my privacy to contribute towards the collective effort.

[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Random hackers, companies, dragnet surveillance.

The companies are probably the biggest exposure as we are forced to interact with them for utilities, flights etc . They get hacked all of the time and dont bother to secure their data.

Also as a side note I hate how lots of places just assume you want to download their shitty spyware ridden apps or hand over your phone number or an email.

[–] TheButtonJustSpins@infosec.pub 1 points 4 months ago

Also as a side note I hate how lots of places just assume you want to download their shitty spyware ridden apps or hand over your phone number or an email.

Or want notifications. No, recipe site, I don't want desktop notifications from you.

[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

I'm an activist so yk I probably need a more strict model

[–] icedcoffee@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago

I found the Anarcho-Texh security guide helpful in getting started thinking about this with more nuance. I’m including the link below but here’s a short summary

Are you an: Individual Journalist Targeted Activist

Are you annoying: Random assholes Assholes with resources The State

Each category has bigger security needs on one side and more powerful tools on the other. It’s kind of humbling to realize that I’m just an individual and the NSA has no special interest in me, but that makes me feel better using a separate browser without additional security to shop on sites that block a VPN etc

(Also tbh I’m not sure when this page was last updated and I have no involvement with the org. Just a cool resource)

https://github.com/AnarchoTechNYC/meta/wiki/Persona-based-training-matrix

[–] lud@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

Mainly it's similar to yours but recently I'm at an elevated risk of targeted attacks due to work. I don't think anyone will or has tried to hack me though except by trying random old leaked credentials, but that doesn't count.

[–] qpsLCV5@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

i'm thinking long term - sure, right now google knowing everything about me isn't dangerous. but if a massive political slide to the right happens in countries that host services, suddenly all the saved data from many years ago can be used against me. and don't fall for the "end to end encrypted" bullshit either - all these services can flip a switch and have your encryption keys instantly. (or, if its an open source app that ACTUALLY keeps keys on the device only, which is extremely rare, it's one update away from happening, and you better read the whole diff every update and compile the app yourself.)

that's why i choose to self host everything. yes there's a risk of being hacked, or installing something malicious because i don't read every diff on every update. but i feel more confortable with it being my own responsibility, and my services are also all on seperate virtual machines to hopefully isolate any breaches.

[–] Imprint9816@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago

That's not how end to end encryption works.

Your scared of a slide to the right but already falling for their propaganda to undermine privacy by destroying encryption.