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[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 119 points 4 months ago (2 children)

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 63 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

"Emulators are only OK when we specifically release them for our own hardware to run an extremely limited catalog that we hand pick and then charge the price of a brand new release for. Everyone else get fucked"

[–] DarkSirrush@lemmy.ca 25 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Don't forget releasing pirated copies on our stolen emulators that we are now charging money for!

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Wtf? That happened to Nintendo? O.o

(I thought that was the PS mini)

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago (2 children)

They've been suspected of selling downloaded ROMs several times, but the incident with the most evidence was when they released a port of a GBA collection of Medabots games on the switch eShop using a pirated version of the mGBA emulator. Like: there were strings of code matching from the original emulator.

The EULA of mGBA actually allows commercial use, but Nintendo didn't credit the emulator or the author, making it piracy.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Given that Nintendo probably doesn't develop Medabots games, wouldn't that not be Nintendo that committed piracy in that case?

Just looked it up -- not even published by Nintendo.

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[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 3 points 4 months ago

Wow, TIL

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[–] Fashim@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Meanwhile there's a bunch of evidence suggesting Nintendo used pirated ROMs for their own emulators.

[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 57 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Hey, remember that game you loved as a kid and wanted it on your newest system with minor quality of life changes? We made a mobile version that kills the style, has a shitty controller layout that you cant change, and its $59.99 more than when it originally released 30 years ago

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

The fact that SNES games were $60 30 years ago and games are still that price means we are actually getting a deal. Except the physical part is what made the $60 feel worth it, the cart, the full color 30 page manual and sometimes posters! Now games are digital they should be like $10 max from Nintendo.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

They were also complete games rather than having content carved off of them to sell as MTX.

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[–] SpeakinTelnet@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Final Fantasy VI could have had such a beautiful post SNES legacy.

[–] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Wait...FFVI was for the SUPER NINTENDO??? I love that game, why did I think it was a PlayStation original, along with VII?

Edit: I looked it up and it's blowing my mind that it came out in 1994.

[–] SpeakinTelnet@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

SNES was home to some of the best RPGs. Chrono Trigger, FFVI, Mario RPG, Secret of Mana, Tales of Phantasia. I remember when FFVII came out it was a heated debate of which one was the best between VI & VII.

[–] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 months ago

Shows how timeless the games you listed are, I played most of them in the mid-late 2000s as a kid and never thought of them as "old" like I do with the SNES, lol.

[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Your thinking of Fanal Fantasy Anthologies which includes FFV and FFVI which were both originally SNES. First FF game on PS1 was FFVII.

Weird from my perspective for someone to think FFVI was first on the PS1 but I grew up playing NES-PS2 during grade school.

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[+] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 49 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

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[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

My rule is that if they don't sell the game for the original system anymore, then it's not stealing.

Stealing from who. The used market?

[–] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Which they and every other gaming company have tried to kill at one point or another, and I fully expect them to try again next Gen. They probably hope that the people who pay attention and care are getting older and won't make as much of a fuss as we did with the last three generations.

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Thankfully hacking systems has never been easier. I'm literally downloading games on a fan Eshop for my Wii U as we speak.

Serves them right for closing it all down

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

Obviously these are all legitimate backups from games I own.

Doing the lords work

[–] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Barring me from getting old games in a modern platform will not stop me from playing old games on a modern platform.

The sooner they realize that and plan accordingly by releasing their old catalogs for appropriate pricing, the sooner they will get what they want and piracy and emulation will plummet.

When people have a cheap and easy way of doing something without wondering if they're about to get SWATed, they're way more likely to actually do that.

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm sure you meant it as hyperbole, but SWAT will not actually show up to anyone's home just for pirating video games. At most, a handful of local police or FBI may knock on your door, but SWAT are not called in for something like that. Not unless you have some history with the police of extreme violence or you have given them reason to suspect you are going to put up a fight.

A person is most likely to recieve a letter in the mail or an email from the lawyers of Nintendo before police are invovled.

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[–] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 46 points 4 months ago (11 children)

Every time I hear Nintendo issues another C&D, I have a new emulator to download before they get forcibly taken down.

It's 100% the streisand effect.

"Oh you're whining about another small group of people passionate about your past games? Well let me pile onto your woes. Asshole."

I do not understand how one company can have so much dedication from fans while simultaneously despising them.

If YOU aren't going to offer a 100% obviously and clearly above board, legal, safe, option for games anymore, someone else WILL and you get absolutely nothing from it.

And I also don't understand why a company with no intention of ever selling something again still has the ability to sue people while claiming lost revenue. Get fucked, and stop bitching. It just makes me never want to buy Nintendo products ever again.

But that won't stop me from playing Nintendo products.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago

There really needs to be "Use it or lose it" system when it comes to intellectual property.

Not selling Manhunt 2 anywhere? Can't bitch when I find a cracked copy...

I'm just kidding, Rockstar doesn't because they realize they're not losing money on a product they literally don't sell or even acknowledge that often.

Piracy is not a crime, it is the preservation of art.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I tried to run suyu yesterday and found out that Nintendo actually succeeded in practically killing the development of yuzu and its' forks.

Suyu and sudachi are dead and torzu is hosted/developed by a single developer who admits they wont be able to properly keep on development.

It's reasonable, because apparently yuzu used Nintendo code from a devkit, which makes the whole codebase radioactive. But yeah: Nintendo actually succeeded in the end. :/

[–] BarrelRider@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ryujinx still exists so, besides android, switch emulation is still going.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 6 points 4 months ago

I know. But they targeted yuzu and successfully killed it. (because some of the devs supposedly did extremely stupid things)

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 39 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If they sold emulators on steam or gog I would probably pay a reasonable amount for them. But they don't, so I pay nothing.

[–] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Nintendo Switch has a bunch of emulators. You need a premium subscription though.

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

IMO, a subscription service is almost worse than not selling them at all.

Either I buy them individually for a reasonable one time fee, or I don't and get them for free.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 10 points 4 months ago

I don't want to play on a switch though. If I play on my computer, that's a platform that's going to be around for ages. And had no subscription fees.

[–] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 4 months ago

And a Switch, of course...

[–] Pirky@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

I recently jailbroke my Wii and ripped all my current games, so this is surprisingly relatable to me right now.
I also got a low firmware PS4 to jailbreak so I can rip those in preparation for ShadPS4, an up and coming PS4 emulator. Bloodborne is running on it now, though it's still far from playable.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 17 points 4 months ago

How about you re-release your older games on platforms I'm willing to pay for, ones that aren't tied to an arbitrary subscription service or apart of a digital storefront that can go down at any time?

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 15 points 4 months ago

Literally what happened to me. I have a modded switch but still bought games for it, when they shut down yuzu I packed the switch up and play exclusively on PC now.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This is what I did, although I went a step further than emulating. I'd always been planning on hacking my Switch once the next one came out, but when Nintendo went after Yuzu, I said fuck 'em and hacked it then and there. They won't be getting any more sales from me this gen.

[–] Glytch@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

This meme works especially well because Pam's line immediately before this is "I could give a shit about your happiness"

[–] mihnt@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, I'm kinda pissed about this stuff. I watched Noodle's video about the motorstorm series and come to find out I have to spend a bunch to get the original hardware or just not play it because I can't find any ROMs online anywhere.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What? Search nointro on archive.org for collections of cartridge games. Search redump there for disc based.

Anything not on archive (usually newer releases, or disc based games from PS2 or later), try some of the resources from the wiki/megathread on db0.lemmy.com's piracy community.

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[–] RayOfSunlight@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

I will emulate even their wives

(I'm kidding with the last part)

[–] Tja@programming.dev 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

What's that supposed to mean?!

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Nintendo ruined the 8-bit computer game culture and I will never forgive them.

[–] cosmack@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

How so?

[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

I second this question.

[–] FlavoredButtHair@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Nintendo isn't even losing money. There so people still buying Nintendo products. Probably cause they don't know how to emulate and such.

[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

I got a confirmation on my MIG being shipped just a few days ago. Also finally managed to cancel my Nintendo online subscription, they couldn't have made that more difficult.

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