I put human lives over political ideologies, and I'm pretty alone with that.
I'm a pacifist to the point that I'm opposed to the concept of "self defense" on a national level.
If someone tries to kill you, by all means defend yourself.
But this concept doesn't translate to groups of millions of people, killing each other for years over who's in charge.
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Interesting. What do you think Ukraine should do then if not fight back against the Russian invasion?
What India did against the British β sabotage all Russian-led businesses in Ukraine, and refuse to cooperate with the occupiers.
It would lead to a great deal of suffering for Ukrainians, but the alternative against which this would have to be measured is the current war β with close to one million dead, several million displaced, and no resolution in sight anywhere.
Well Putin for sure would be happy if Ukraine would choose this path. He's quite used to brutally squash dissidents. Russia also has absolutely no qualm to disperse a group throughout their country to destroy their cultural identity. They are already doing so with the Ukrainian children they've kidnapped.
So sorry, but your proposal seems to be really naiv and not taking into account how fucking brutal Putin's Russia is to people stepping even slightly out of line.
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I'm trans. Tell me more. π€·ββοΈ
I don't know why people are okay with trans people dying as well. Some people were absolutely sick when Brianna Ghey was brutally murdered.
You should ask your fellow Christians, trans folks are not so popular with the church if you haven't noticed.
Every Christian I have talked to about this subject is vehemently against killing transgender people. What does my belief in God have to do with my opinion on not killing trans people?
You don't have to strictly be for killing them, you can just be against their existence, and someone else will take that to its logical conclusion.
"Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest"
I think it is true that Christians who are against violence against trans people should be far more vocal over it. But the general thing I hear isn't really wanting to get rid of trans people, more of if they should be validated as their desired gender or not, or how children should be approached about the topic.
the existence of trans people is quite literally conditional on them being validated as their desired gender.
if you don't validate them, then when they keep doing trans stuff (like transitioning), you will freak out and attempt to stop them. For example by sending them to conversion therapy. And it should be obvious to any basically humanist person why that's a bad idea.
No, because there are no effective conversion therapies that work, and it can make the situation worse. It's not a binary. You don't have to choose between "oh yeah sure let's change the signs on bathrooms! You can compete in women's sports and be in women spaces, too! Oh and please go and tell these children all about your sex change!" and "send them all to conversion therapy at gunpoint". I don't know why you keep jumping to conclusions so quickly and freak out at me stating the fact that killing people is abhorrent. Because apparently I am not allowed to condemn the murder of a young girl because I, like 2.38 billion other people, think that Jesus of Nazareth from 2024 years ago made a convincing case for actually being God.
and also what is the alternative you propose that's neither acceptance or forced conversion?
"separate but equal"? "keep that stuff at home"? no thank you, i'd rather be part of society. separate but equal is never actually equal.
I didn't propose anything. I'm not a politician, lol
I assume have something to say about it, or you wouldn't be posting trying to defend your opinion.
So far I've seen that you don't want to kill us and you don't want to try to force us to stop existing, but you don't seem to want to accept us either. so what else is there?
I just don't want to be infiltrated by it personally. I love you and accept you as a human being. I am against anything that may put women in danger or mislead children. If you don't want to do that, then I don't really care. You should know that you are loved and are human like the rest of us. You aren't anything less or more than me. And I don't think any less of you for your gender identity, and I wish other Christians stopped being so aggressive about that either.
I am against anything that may put women in danger
Except when it comes to abortions, than you are all for putting women in danger.
I just donβt want to be infiltrated by it personally.
What does this even mean?
You literally asked what I meant by it after trying to 'respond' to me saying what I meant. Lol.
Not really. First was just a dig at your inconsistencies. Second was a try to get your actual opinion out of you.
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I know, and it's disgusting. People also do it by prioritising finance / career options etc over the lives of unborn babies for the sake of "bodily autonomy"
As opposed to other people telling you what you can and cannot do with your own body?
Do you not see the implications of that?
But it isn't your body though. And intentionally causing a miscarriage isn't a normal function of your body.
Your argument is that my body isn't mine?
You're so wrong it's not even funny. Maybe try living without resorting to advice from a book sloppily written (and rewritten) ages ago to dominate people afraid of shit they don't understand?
Then again, logic is clearly not your strong suit.
A foetus isn't part of your body. It's a separate being with it's own blood type and DNA and can also feel pain. Just because it is in you doesn't mean it is you.
Also, I'm sorry, but I'm really confused to what you're saying? Is that a critique of modern medicine or something??? Like of course medical textbooks (what I assume you were referring to, unless there was a specific one) have been rewritten, we're actively researching how to combat different diseases and prevent fatalities. Are you trying to promote homeopathy or something?
While it's fun watching you trying to weasel your way out of the discussion at hand your comments in other threads betrayed your thoughts on the matter already. You know full well which fucking book I'm talking about, and it isn't compatible with modern medical texts in the least.
If you want to believe in bullshit you're free to do so, but why the fuck do you think anyone would be the least bit interested in what your imaginary friend thinks about abortion?
Who is using the Bible as a medical textbook, and at what point did I mention the Bible in regards to abortion? It's completely irrelevant to this discussion.
Your whole stance on abortion is guided by your beliefs, you've made that much glaringly obvious. There's not a single other reason for anyone to be against other people's abortions like you are. Each and everyone is responsible for their own decisions, you don't get to involve yourself.
It's utter insanity, yet you spout it like it's some sort of inherent truth. That's what zealots do, not normal people.
So "killing people is wrong" is an inherently Christian belief, which atheists don't possess?
We already figured out that you are ok with killing people under specific circumstances. Try at least to pretend to be consistent.
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