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With the recent WWDC apple made some bold claims about privacy when it comes to so called Apple Intelligence. This makes me wonder if they did something to what Microsoft did with Recall feature, would people be less concerned and to an extend praise their effort?

Do you trust apple with their claims?

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[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Do I trust them? Sure, I guess, when it comes to privacy from other entities.

Do I trust that I will have privacy from Apple? Hell no. What does "local" even mean on an iCloud connected iOS device anymore? Because there's nothing on that phone Apple can't access remotely if they want to, and if any of the AI cache is backed up on iCloud, that's not local anymore.

Do I trust them with the data they're absolutely gathering? No, but I don't trust anyone with it. But I also think that data would be relatively safer with Apple than their competitors.

If Apple announced Recall? Apple wouldn't announce Recall, that's the whole point. Apple wouldn't be so brazen and stupid to push a tool that is so obviously invasive and so poorly implemented. Apple earned its trust by not making those mistakes.

But if they did decide to say fuck it and implement something like Recall, of course people would trust them. That's what trust means: consumers take them at their word. But if it's as bad as Microsoft's Recall, Apple would burn all that trust when people found out.

People don't believe Microsoft because they have long since burned any trust and good will for most of their consumers. They have proven time and time again they don't give a shit about users' wants or needs, and users have felt that. So when they announce Recall, they have no earned trust. No one believes their assurances. There's no good faith to cushion this. And it turns out everyone was right not to grant them that trust.

Does that mean I'd ever use an Apple device? Hell no. I value my privacy, but I value it on my terms, not Apple's, and I will never use a device that creates privacy through taking power from the user.

[–] Lexam@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I would love this this feature to be implemented in IOS. This could be used for several applications like pushing more people to Linux.

[–] cmgvd3lw@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 months ago

You had us in the first half, NGL

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That brings me to a recent discovery:

I got a text via matrix, my notifications dont show content, yet the „places“ app suggested a route to an address given in the message.

I checked and had no appointment or other text which the app could have read it from.

This suggests to me two things: apple is reading our screens already, our governments do as well.

Can someone confirm or deny?

[–] Niiru@feddit.de 0 points 2 months ago

Can't neither but it's sooo easy to achieve with telemetry.

Your friend searched for the place. Your friend send you (any) message. Anyone and their mother know you are affiliated with your friend. Said place is now connected with you.

That's why telemetry doesn't need to read your screen

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Recall in principal is a cool idea. It is also one that M$ has not earned the trust for. I think Apple would be better received. I'm not sure I would like Apple's recall, but they have done more to foster trust than M$.

[–] trollbearpig@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

And Apple has earned any trust? Jesus christ people, like less than 2 months ago they were caught restoring "deleted" photos from iCloud to user devices hahahahaha. Of course fans were excusing them talking about disk sectors like that has anything to do with cloud storage being available accidentally hahahaha.

But yeah, Apple cult followers will find a way to justify surrendering even more freedom to Apple with this BS for sure. And they will be paying top dollar for the pleasure hahahaha.

[–] makeasnek@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No, but if a linux distro implemented a local-only version of this, I would be interested in using it.

[–] alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I honestly don't understand the use case. What do you find interesting about it?

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

One thing it claimed was the ability to rewrite copy. Basically finally an improvement over spellcheck which has been the same for like 20 years. Would be nice to have something better built into the OS in every text field.

You could also have stuff like suggestions in your terminal when you're starting to write a command based on what's in the man pages and the layout of your filesystem.

[–] alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

Recall won't help with that. You also don't need an AI for the second one. Just something more than a basic shell.

[–] pound_heap@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Apple's PR is better. With Microsoft all news titles were like "OMG Windows will take screenshots of all you do and send it to AI", and with Apple it's more like "Apple is carefully adding AI to their products, respecting user privacy as they always have been".

Of course, when one looks into technical details they would find that MS Recall is strictly local and runs only on special hardware that people don't even have yet.

Apple Intelligence does send your data to cloud and scans everything you have in Apple ecosystem, not just screenshots. Of course they say it's done in very privacy respecting ways, and provide a lot of technical information to back this claim. But at the end it's closed source and is subject to change at any time.

Having said that, Apple users are used to and value that Apple magically takes care of everything, so they are happy to pay premium for Apple's products whatever the company does.

[–] NGC2346@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Makes a lot of sense until the closed source affirmation. The source code of the OS they develop is closed source, but a lot of what they do is open source and independantly audited by experts, so there's that in the balance.

Windows is just a pile of trash.

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What that Apple does is Open Source? This is the first time I've read this.

[–] NGC2346@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Swift, Webkit, Researchkit, Carekit, FoundationDB, CUPS, Darwin, LLVM and Clang, SwiftNIO, Turi Create, Homekit ADK,

Its one thing to be against a product but its essential to be well informed and not base our perceptions on biased informations.