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Hamas will not engage with the latest US ceasefire proposal due to its deviation from President Joe Biden’s deal outline announced in May, sources close to the Palestinian movement told Middle East Eye.

It described the latest proposal as a "reversal" on previous US-backed plans and “an American submission to the terrorist Netanyahu’s new conditions and his criminal plans towards the Gaza Strip”.

The previous ceasefire plan was backed by Biden as “Israel’s proposal” and later adopted by the UN Security Council in June.

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Monday said Netanyahu supports the latest American “bridging proposal” after meeting the prime minister in Israel. Blinken’s comments on Monday “baffled” some Israeli officials who believe Netanyahu’s new position is making a deal much harder to reach.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It's costing Biden millions to keep his Genocide defense fleet next to israel every single day. Iran is likely interested in stalling as long as possible to run up the costs.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Still, stalling maintains genocide. Hopefully Resistance comes swiftly.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

True but it is a difficult dilemma.

Hezbollah is still launching rocket barrages at israel.

1/3 of the entire Genocide Joe fleet is currently waiting for an excuse for Netanyahu so they can bomb Iran.

Iran is also still developing nukes. Biden has already signaled he wants to start a big regional war when Iran retaliates against israel. So every day Iran waits to build up their supply gives them a military advantage.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Iran is also still developing nukes.

That's the biggest part IMO, Iran wants to avoid an Iraq situation. Very different circumstances, but Iraq shows what happens if you are targeted by Empire but don't have WMDs.

[–] zeephirus@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War they failed last time. what do you think has changed? also maybe it will bring about the same outcome for the Israeli leadership soooo.....

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Tech has changed and the US is in a different position globally, as a declining Imperial Power.

[–] zeephirus@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

so youre saying theyd loose even harder? not like their records very good anyway :/

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not like the US can run out of money, so what does that actually accomplish?

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Afghanistan begs to differ. The US army is a massive force but it can only be at a few places at once.

The ocean distance between America to anywhere else is its defensive safety net, but it also massively drives up the logistical cost of waging war half the world away.

Especially this prolonged aircraft carrier ship deployment is super expensive.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No, I mean, nations that print their own currency literally can't run out of money.

The problem is they lose public support and then struggle to recruit people into the military, and yes, defending Israel is going to hurt recruitment. Young people hate Israel.

But money is kind of irrelevant.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Well yes but also no.

The trick only works as long as other nations accept the dollar as reserve currency. Which is currently accomplished by killing leaders who don't.

That amazing level of diplomacy however has the world steadily turning against us to a point where many oil nations are already turning away from the dollar as currency.

As long as everyone does not collectively stand up to the bullying the printer can extract from the combined group of bullied countries. But America is starting to lose its position as infinite money printer. Fewer and fewer countries are in its grasp.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's from the brain genius move of placing sanctions on 2/3rds of the world, but USD will continue to be devalued at the same rate regardless of whether the US keeps spending on Israel. Devaluation is happening regardless of military spending.

In fact, my hypothesis is that Israel helps preserve USD value. They use this unsinkable aircraft carrier to control the movement of migrants out of Africa, control access to the large supplies of oil and gas in the region, and control the extremely important sea route between SE Asia and Europe. If Israel is defeated it's the end of all of that, and the beginning of the end for the US hegemon.

So, no, a few million dollars on aircraft carriers is nothing compared to the incredible value Israel holds to the US.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

America has bases all over the middle east. Aircraft carriers are not efficient to exert long term pressure. American bases in Syria, Jordan and Iraq are now under attack because the population is agitated. All of this does not help exert pressure.

The most important factor for oil control is Saudi, which America is making huge concessions to to appease israel. In the long term this allowed Saudi to decouple from America.

Israel means incredibly little for the region. It's the only place where America has almost no bases. Israel only pisses off everyone in the region and turns them against America. America now has to use its influence over Egypt, Saudi, Jordan, UAE etc to save israel, instead of israel helping America control those countries.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Israel means incredibly little for the region.

Then why is the US sacrificing so much for Israel?

US control is contingent on the absolute subjugation of Arab peoples, it needs Israel to control all of the other nations in that region.

The US has bases in the region, sure, but Israel is itself a base of operations. It's the 51st state. The whole thing is a base, it's like Biden said, if Israel did not exists the US would have to create one to serve her interests in the region.

It's unfathomable that Israel "means incredibly little" and yet the US is willing to destroy the concept of international law, destroy its own legitimacy as a law based nation, defy the democratic will of its own people, and alienate itself internationally. Israel is the most important of all its Middle East allies, it's the crown jewel of the empire.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Then why is the US sacrificing so much for Israel?

Because israel controls the US, not the other way around.

This Genocide has proven beyond any doubt, israel is not a strategic asset but a liability which controls American politicians. It is an unchained attack dog that keeps turning the entire region into chaos and turning it against America.

America already controls and has military bases in Egypt, Jordan, UAE, Saudi, Qatar etc. It does not need israel for anything.

There is no strategic benefit to israel committing this Genocide. The US has to use its leverage for israel instead of israel providing them leverage. There's so many concessions being made for israel that Saudi might even get nukes.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The US hegemon needs Israel to control Egypt, Jordan, Qatar etc. Israel is the lever for controlling everyone else in the region.

Israel is weaker than, poorer than, and less populous than the US. It is totally reliant on US support to even exist. To claim Israel is controlling the US is putting the cart before the horse.

I'm not claiming Israel is a puppet state of the US, per se, merely that Israel and the US are essentially part of the same imperial project. They're like brothers, only closer. If Israel falls, the empire falls. It has power because of this relationship, but it isn't in control!

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

The US hegemon needs Israel to control Egypt, Jordan, Qatar etc. Israel is the lever for controlling everyone else in the region.

Well no not at all. America installed Sisi in Egypt and is giving him $1Billion a year to oppress his population. As is Jordan.

Saudi is similar they are not pressured by israel but by the US. selling them weapons. As is UAE

To claim Israel is controlling the US is putting the cart before the horse.

America doesn't control israel that's pretty obvious with the Genocide, which could be stopped with a single phone call if they wanted. AIPAC is very open about it these days.

There's an old Biden speech of "if there wasn't an israel we'd make an israel" This was a great defense at the time claiming America needed israel to control the Middle East. But right now everyone can see that there's absolutely no logical way that the Genocide which israel is committing is in any way beneficial to America. It endangers all of the puppet regimes in the region of being overthrown by their populations revolting.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

And how does Sisi stay in power? Egypt and Israel have tight security cooperation, tight trade relations, and Egypt is especially reliant on Israel to export billions of dollars of natural gas. That's why Egypt continues to cooperate with Israel despite over 80% of Egyptians opposing it. Without Israel, the Muslim Brotherhood would be in power.

Yes, the US also sweetens the deal to keep Sisi in power through direct military aid, but Israel is a key component of that relationship.

Israel similarly has a multi billion dollar gas deal with Jordan and UAE, as well as a massive water desalination deal and a hydroelectric deal. Israel is a critical component of the imperial project in the middle East.

Saudi, I would say, nearly on equal footing with Israel in terms of value to the empire. I don't think it could replace Israel if Israel falls, though.

As for AIPAC, they're just a single lobbying group. Important for controlling opposition to Israel, yes, but not a puppet master that controls the entire US. It's the other way around. The empire uses AIPAC to discipline its politicians.