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Streisand effect in action. I am never going to buy anything Nintendo, because they're a dog-shit company. I hadn't realised a Switch emulator existed. Andddd... My wife would really like to play Pikmin 4.
Why don't they sue PC manufacturers for producing the hardware that led to the emulator?
Why don't people sue gun manufacturers every time somebody is murdered? Or vehicle manufacturers each time an accident happens?
Suing Yuzu for piracy seems incredibly fucking stupid and nonsensical, but I'm sure the Neanderthals in the courtroom will side with Nintendo.
Why don't people sue gun manufacturers every time somebody is murdered?
Because gun makers lobbied congress to make it specifically illegal to do so. Even though unscrupulous practices by said gun lobby is responsible for probably hundreds of thousands of needless deaths.
Or vehicle manufacturers each time an accident happens?
They get sued for accidents caused by defects quite often.
Why don't they sue PC manufacturers for producing the hardware that led to the emulator?
This one is perfectly analogous to the Nintendo tomfoolery, though.
Suing Yuzu for piracy seems incredibly fucking stupid and nonsensical, but I'm sure the Neanderthals in the courtroom will side with Nintendo.
Happened with Mega and countless torrent sites so yeah, you're probably right 😮💨
Why don't they sue PC manufacturers for producing the hardware that led to the emulator?
This one is perfectly analogous to the Nintendo tomfoolery, though.
Not really. PCs aren't purpose build to run emulators, these emulators just happen to also work on them.
Emulators on the other hand are purpose build to circumvent anti piracy measures (which is illegal even for your own use), even if piracy may not be their primary intention.
Gonna be real interesting how this plays out.
IANAL (and am not a lawyer) but the general takeaway of Sony vs Bleem was "emulation fine so long as you aren't using proprietary code". Hence why it is generally "find your own BIOS" and all that.
The nonsense about yuzu is facilitating piracy is going to be a mess. But I do wonder if Tears of the Kingdom is not going to be a problem. Because it was not at all hidden as to why Yuzu et al suddenly had a bunch of mysterious compatibility updates a day or two after the leaked roms went online.
Even the argument that the devs who worked on that had totally legit copies they got from Uncle Greg's Game Store on 2nd street might get into a mess if nintendo argues those weren't legitimately sold because they broke embargo date. And it is hard to argue those improvements were for people to play their own dumps.
So yeah. Gonna be real interesting (assuming this isn't just an attempt to legal fee yuzu to death). Because if I were to put on my day job hat: Doing ANYTHING based on pre-release material is a huge no no since they only had access to it because people violated contracts with Nintendo's distributors.
And... the more I look at this, the more I think the yuzu devs may have fucked it all up for the rest of us and it really depends on if nintendo's lawyers drill in on that or continue for the broad reaching stuff.
Can we just take a second to say what utter bullshit it is that "facilitating piracy" is so allowed to be an argument?
How are we in this wacky world where rights holders get to say "what you built allows piracy, we demand total control over you"
You can argue that Nintendo facilitates piracy by making games that people want to pirate.
I wonder if they ever realise how much money they could make by releasing PC versions of their games.
Tears of the Kingdom is great, but I can't help but think how good it would look running in full 4K 60fps on a 55" OLED, with a controller that doesn't disconnect every five minutes.
There’s a PC port of BOTW with unlocked frame rates, higher render distances (clouds and fog turned off) and 4K textures and it’s GLORIOUS
PC port or emulated using Cemu or Yuzu/Ryujinx?
The comments section here is pretty much an echo chamber of people defending Yuzu. I'm a game dev and I think this case is more ambiguous. Emulators like Yuzu have the potential to make Switch piracy go mainstream. You don't need to hack anything, you just follow a tutorial and google "yuzu keys", suddenly you can play all Switch games for free. And people don't need to be tech-savvy to do that. Nintendo would be stupid if they would just ignore this. It doesn't help that the Tegra X1 is old, almost identical with other Nvidia chipsets and therefore easy to emulate on a PC.
Every single emulator has been like this for more than 20 years. Has it gone mainstream yet?
That's a good point actually. I would argue that most emulators didn't get good enough during the lifetime of the console, and even Yuzu isn't there yet. But you can see the potential, and that's threatening to Nintendo's business model.
I thought Nintendo's business model was going to make the Switch obsolete next year.
Maybe their next console will have a very similar hardware architecture and it will be easy to adapt existing Switch emulators?
I’m a game dev and I think this case is more ambiguous
if you want job security, unionize your workplace
I wasn't talking about job security.
What is that? The linked article, but as a 7-minute video talk?
Nintendo is basically saying that they are guilty of enabling piracy.
That same argument would paint gun makers as guilty of enabling murder and crime. Nintendo should really be going after rom sharing sites. That’s totally legit, but not the emulation devs.
If they have a fund for legal costs I’ll donate.
That same argument would paint gun makers as guilty of enabling murder and crime.
You'd be correct of the law were logical, but it is not. Check this out: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_number#Illegal_primes