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i find it's a great tool. (lemmy.world)
submitted 10 months ago by SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world
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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Pros: Really useful AIO program that does everything Cons: Really useful AIO program that does everything

Great example:

Systemd makes it very easy to bring up DNS with systemd-resolved, and it bridges a gap from the old resolv.conf file and newer DNS standards n stuff.

But then it also means that any alternative DNS clients have to tell resolvd to go away if they want to run, or often times make a systemd service to autostart with systemd and ensure it works perfectly with every possible systemd setup.

There's nothing inherently wrong with this method of having a centralized AIO thing that handles a a lot of stuff for you, but lots of early Linux people preferred the hardcore KISS principle and found it very beneficial to have everything neatly separated and modular with the service manager's job to only start and stop services.

Overall, systemd has been remarkably (and relatively) stable and beneficial which people thought would be impossible back when it became initially popular.

[–] CakeLancelot@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Does too much for one tool (against unix philosophy) and has poor interop with other tools (binary logfiles).

[–] GCostanzaStepOnMe@feddit.de 0 points 10 months ago

Linux User when their program does more than IO text streams:

[–] emhl@feddit.de 0 points 10 months ago

Btw. The Linux kernel does more than one thing. But monolithic kernels are much better for small student projects that won't be relevant anymore, when Gnu Hurd comes out

[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 0 points 10 months ago

I underatand, but I just don't care. Give me a functioning linux desktop and I will also run your garbage proprietary nvidia software. The alternative is windows, so I have to take what I can get.

[–] Deckweiss@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A stop job is running ... 3/180 s

[–] Hupf@feddit.de 0 points 10 months ago

Lol virgin systemd can't even properly kill -9

[–] zephr_c@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's a giant mess of interconnected programs that could theoretically still be disentangled, but in practice never are. It was very quickly and exclusively adopted by pretty much every major distro in a short period of time, functionally killing off any alternatives despite a lot of people objecting. Also, its creator was already pretty divisive even before systemd, and the way systemd was adopted kinda turned that into a creepy hate cult targeted at him.

There's nothing actually wrong with systemd. I personally wish there was still more support for the alternatives though. Systemd does way more than I need it to, and I just enjoy having a computer that only does what I want.

[–] willis936@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If there were better options then they would have been adopted.

[–] zephr_c@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I didn't say there were better options. I didn't say it shouldn't have been adopted. I said it has some drawbacks, wasn't rolled out very well, and I miss having other options even if they aren't as generally useful for everyone, and it is inevitable that some people would complain because of that. That isn't a problem. It's okay to complain sometimes. We all do it.