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    [–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 2 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    I wish Valve would make a Steam Phone. They seem to know how to do Linux devices.

    [–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago

    Valve laptop to revive the thinkpad glory days

    [–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

    they don't know to make a good android app, and you want them to make an entire cellphone💀💀

    [–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago

    Well, I don't want it to be android powered anyways. That's the entire point.

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    [–] vox@sopuli.xyz 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    it's a fun toy, not super useful but probably fun to tinker with
    I've done some ungodly stuff to my android phones (even non-rooted ones, I'm totally abusing them) and I can't even imagine all the possibilities with a proper linux distro. Having a pocket pc with a full arm64 linux sounds awesome

    [–] einfach_orangensaft@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago (4 children)
    [–] Samsy@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Phosh, gnome-mobile, plasma, sxmo or "unity"?

    [–] Clusterfck@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 9 months ago

    Plasma and unity both seem to be the ones I come back to. The other three I would mess with, but something about the other two always brought me back.

    [–] lemmeee@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago

    Phosh is pretty good. I don't think Gnome Mobile is finished yet.

    [–] Drinvictus@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    What do you miss the most?

    [–] pH3ra@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago

    Getting laid

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    [–] Abnorc@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

    I appreciate the people who daily drive pinephones. They are paving the way for when they'll be viable alternatives for the masses. (Or verifying that they won't be, we'll see.)

    [–] dadarobot@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Everyone saying Android is completely missing the point. I mean yeah, it runs the linux kernel, but i feel like most of yall wouldn't call ChromeOS linux on the other hand.

    The obvious connotations are privacy, choice, wayland/x11 support, a useful terminal, a rich foss ecosystem, and arch btw.

    [–] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    ChromeOS is Linux and even starting to become it's own full blown distro.
    ChromeOS even uses Wayland now.
    Lacros

    [–] genie@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

    I'd agree with you in the context of standard (google) android.

    One caveat that I'd like to highlight, though, is that for me GrapheneOS and F-Droid handily achieve the privacy and rich FOSS ecosystem parts. Useful terminal depends on your definition :) but for my use case Termux fills the void.

    It doesn't feel like Linux (you can't even use Wifi and Ethernet at the same time for crying out loud) but for a relatively cheap low-power device, I like the flexibility.

    It's far enough from being a foot gun that I can give a Pixel 5 with GrapheneOS and some F-Droid apps to my grandmother and know she'll have no problems. Balancing that with having enough extensibility to scratch the itch for 99% of tinkerers is a feat to appreciate in my view.

    [–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 1 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Linux phones will need to run established Android apps to get users, devs won't move where there is no users, users won't move there if there aren't apps. It's almost cyclical

    Right now we're working with people who are exceptions to this, users who want to experiment and devs who don't care about money.

    [–] dadarobot@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

    Waydroid runs decently on the pinephone. On a phone with better specs, it might be downright usable for proprietary apps.

    Potentially a proton-style layer could really ease transition, like on the steamdeck

    [–] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

    BlackBerry 10 was actually a pretty slick OS that supported Android apps and you could even side-load Google Play services.

    [–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Progressive Web Apps. Web programs broke the need for Microsoft Windows.

    [–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    Agreed. Classic story that has been repeated several times over the years. Ecosystem is everything.

    Microsoft's Windows phones were fantastic. They had super nice hardware, high refresh rate screens, better cameras on their flagship models than iPhones at the time.

    They were sleek, fast, the Windows tile UI actually worked great on a phone touchscreen. But it didn't matter to most consumers because they didn't have apps. MS had their own business apps...and that was about it. Didn't matter that every other aspect of the phones were great, people couldn't do what they wanted to on the Windows phones, so they didn't buy them.

    I would love to see something like Proton but for .apks instead of Windows executables. If it were as easy to install and run android apps on a mobile Linux OS as it is now to install and play Windows games on Linux, we would be in a great place to see a proper Linux phone.

    [–] lemmeee@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago

    GNU/Linux is not aimed at people who want the most features. It's made for people who value freedom above everything else.

    I would love to see something like Proton but for .apks instead of Windows executables. If it were as easy to install and run android apps on a mobile Linux OS as it is now to install and play Windows games on Linux, we would be in a great place to see a proper Linux phone.

    You mean Waydroid? I've read that it works pretty well.

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    [–] Fartfrenzy@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

    I've been daily driving Ubuntu Touch on the Fairphone 4 for over a year. I love it, even if some features are lacking. Calling and text is stable, but unfortunately Volte support is still missing. Waydroid is also working great.

    [–] frathiemann@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    Daily drivin Manjaro (Plasma mobile) on my Pinephone Pro for over a year now. If you are not into the whole "taking pictures all the time" thing you can easiy use it as a daily driver. (This message was typed on it)

    [–] Shatur@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    What do you use to browse Lemmy?

    [–] frathiemann@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    The voyager PWA. Works really great and feels pretty much like a native app

    [–] Pantherina@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    So you use Chromium on there? Or how do you use PWAs?

    [–] frathiemann@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Plasma mobile comes with the anglefish browser as default (a mobile browser based on chromium) that has support for PWAs

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    [–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

    ...are we ignoring android?

    [–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago

    Yes. When people talk about a Linux phone, they mean a Linux like experience where the user is in charge and there is no data harvesting or other shitfuckery. That's not something any Android phone delivers out of the box.

    [–] Titou@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Who's gonna tell him Android is based on Linux ?

    [–] Pantherina@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    Android is Linux, they literally use the Linux kernel. They replace most other stuff, but Linux it is.

    They even work towards mainline kernel support, making updates easier for longer times.

    Android is a good example, why "Linux" is not a good term for "Desktop Gnu+Linux".

    [–] lemmeee@sh.itjust.works 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    I think they use some very old and heavily modified version of the Linux kernel, so it's not the same Linux kernel we use on desktop. Then each phone manufacturer adds custom patches on top to support their hardware. GNU/Linux phones also require a custom kernel, but the community is working on upstreaming those patches, so that they can run mainline kernel some day (PinePhone Pro and Librem 5 probably already can now, but some stuff might not work).

    Yeah, using the name Linux for both the kernel and the operating system makes no sense and it's super confusing. When people say Linux when talking about the operating system, they almost always mean GNU/Linux (like Linux Mint, Arch Linux, etc). But then there is Alpine Linux, which isn't GNU/Linux and that makes things even more confusing. If I didn't know what Alpine Linux or Arch Linux was (and had no knowledge of distro names), based on their name I would assume they are some kind of fork of the Linux kernel. Arch Linux should have really been called Arch GNU/Linux and Alpine Linux should have just been called Alpine OS.

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