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“Until a few years ago, we were discussing whether it would happen at all, as a kind of low-probability, high-impact risk,” Rahmstorf told CNN. “And now it looks a lot more likely than just a few years ago that this will happen. Now people are starting to close in on when it will happen.”

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[–] peanuts4life@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I keep thinking, "I should move out of Florida." You know, with all the hurricanes, heat, conservativesz, etc, but then again, the one guarantee about being here is the average temperature is not going to drop precipitously plunging local agriculture into an eternal winter. Great!

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Seriously though, if you are not there for retirement, you should move out of Florida. No need to rush it, but within the next 10 years would be probably good. And keep in mind, settling somewhere else takes time as well.

[–] peanuts4life@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Where would you judge is the most ecologically stable and sustainable area in North America?

[–] assaultpotato@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Unironically somewhere in the north eastern Midwest. Either just south or north of the great lakes. Our winters are vastly more mild than they were when I moved here 10 years ago and there's tons of fresh water and arable land. We aren't immune to heat waves and wacky growing season changes, but we don't get the drought and wildfires they do out west or south, nor any of the extreme storms from the Atlantic.

Biggest threat is flooding, but river flooding is more easily mitigated than other extreme weather. My ass is staying in the boring part of the continent.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Tornados sure have been picking up here though

[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're welcome to take a left into Central where the tornados spawn mini tornados and like following you around, though only after they've made the decision to stay small and scary-cute or grow to such a size as to make you wholly uncertain whether it's heading your way or not.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

No thank you, central IL might as well be another state lol

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

Firstly, love the username.

Secondly: Yep, I grew up in the PNW, am disabled now, and WA and OR are just far more expensive than say Wisconsin or Minnesota.

Weather around there seems to be the closest analogue I can find to Seattle. PNW weather is getting more extreme and you say Great Lakes region is getting more mild, so, sounds good to me!

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hard to say, as I am not a local. Maybe Washington State? The ocean generally has a moderating effect and the pacific side is probably going to see less drastic changes and hurricanes. Somewhere around the great lakes might also work. But you need to do your own research 😊

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

WA native: So, the East side of the state is a desert/brushland with fairly extreme winters and summers, not unlike (though not as quite as extreme as) the central plains of the US.

The West side of the state is astoundingly expensive.

Also, now we have heatdomes, at or near the wetbulb temp, for a week straight.

That did not used to be a thing.

Wildfires are also MUCH worse than they used to be, another thing to be wary of on the Eastern side, and the smoke from fires north or south of the Seattle area will now blow into that area, and will not dissipate if you are also having a heat dome, such that you might literally need a gas mask to go outside.

Oh and if your plan is to rent a cheap apartment? Good luck, its pretty hard to find affordable ones with AC, because up untill about 5 years ago, it would only really be needed a few days a year.

Also we are overdue for the Cascadia Subduction Zone earthquake and that will basically destroy everything from the Pacific Coast to I5 when it occurs.

Also also, Mt Rainier (Tahoma) is actually an active volcano, and if it explodes it would likely be much, much worse than Mt St Helens.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

East also has potential fallout from the extreme nuclear testing back in the day!

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago

Its not fallout, but groundwater contamination from poorly stored and buried, leaking nuclear waste, left over from the Hanford plant that produced much of the fissile material for the Manhattan Project and another decade or two of the early US nuclear weapons industry.

To the best of my knowledge, Eastern WA was never had a test area for actual nuclear explosions producing fallout.

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you can stand it mentally and financially, and you're a reasonable person, stay.

Let several Florida presidential election winners have been right above or below 50%. It's a longer shot, but more reachable than many places likely.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No matter the political direction, much of Florida will be regularly flooded by sturm surges due to intensifying hurricane seasons. And while it might not happen during our lifetimes, the loss of most of Florida's landmass due to rising sea-levels is pretty much locked in already, and the early effects of that on flooding and salt-intrusion into the groundwater will be noticable much earlier for sure.

In addition heatwaves will turn into deadly heat-domes in most of the south-east of the US within a relatively short time-frame, making survival dependant on the stability of the electricity grid to run ACs.

Housing prices will also collapse as a result of that and difficulties to find insurance, so more and more people will be stuck with property they can't sell. Basically the longer you wait the harder it will get to leave in a way that doesn't make you a climate refugee.