It’s important to cover the eyes of birds when transporting them so they think it’s night and sleep through their journey.
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The hawks need to rest their eyesight before going straight for prey
I'm delighted we're sending these over to Ukraine (though it should have been done a long time ago).
Question: the F-16s are planes. Is there some reason we're loading them onto other planes for transport instead of flying them over?
Ease of transfer (one pilot vs multiple for a looooong flight, probably no refuel on the Antonow, and if so it eats less specialised stuff than the F-16s) and maybe even fuel efficiency, I would guess.
Also, one cargo plane raises less eye brows than a flock of fighters.
AN-124’s are extremely inefficient - it’s probably stopping 2-3 times on route, but still easier to arrange than flying each plane.
Think they'd go west over the pacific or back across the US?
Back across the US - Portland Maine is a popular tech stop for the AN124’s and then probably someplace in the UK
Both aircraft types will almost certainly be running Jet A1, or whatever the military version of it is.
The others here answered everything already, I just would like to use one analogy: 6 sports cars on a trailer.
Same reason new cars aren't driven from the port to the dealership.
The maximum range for the F16 in "ferry" mode (max fuel, no weapons, pee before takeoff) is something like 4000km. The distance from Belfast (Maine) to Belfast (the original) is 4500km.
That would mean air to air refueling, which is expensive and risky. It would put major wear on the planes, which are not the newest to start with. And unlike the Antonov, the F16 comes with neither legroom nor bathrooms.
pee before takeoff)
Iirc the factor that limited early nuclear submarines the most from continuous dives was the toilets, they have limited storage for sewage and it turns out that draining those with a greater outside pressure is a pretty difficult task, at least if you want to stay undetected.
Now that they have figured that out the limiting factor is food.
You didn't explain how they sorted it out so I'm assuming compost toilets or some form of slow torpedo that makes it look like the sub is pooing.
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the F16 comes with neither legroom nor bathrooms.
But at maximum speed, it could in theory cover the 4500km in just over 2h (but probably with worse fuel economy and less range)
There's no way it can get anywhere near that range at full speed. Fighters need to use afterburners to get up to max speed, and F16s run out of fuel in about 10 minutes when using afterburner.
Sourly 6 hours flight time is not significant wear.
It does mean significant operational downtime: https://www.technology.org/2023/01/02/did-you-know-f-16-fighting-falcon-needs-17-hours-of-maintenance-for-every-hour-of-flight/
You might be misunderstanding that statistic.
That's something like, this Squadron had n hours flight time and consumed n*17 hours maintenance.
That doesn't mean a 1 hour flight increases required maintenance by 17 hours.
It's safer for long distances, plus they won't have to worry about refueling.
That, and 6x the flight hours for a F16 is expensive. The flight hours with accompanied wear and tear are better used over Ukraine.
*Some assembly required. Batteries not included.
Batteries not included.
One of my absolute favorite 80s movies
I absolutely hope not. The emergency battery on the F16 is a hydrazine generator. Here's a A picture of two guys about to work on one.
Holy shit badass
Oh hell yeah, are we pulling some stuff out of AMARG? I didn’t realize we were doing that!! Thought it was just a handful of European countries donating airframes they were decommissioning.
What is AMARG?
and what implications does it have? Greater number if aircraft available?
The boneyard: http://www.amarcexperience.com/ui/index.php
Has tons of mothballed airframes that technically serve as a strategic reserve in the event that we suddenly need a few hundred more military aircraft for some reason.
I've seem what happens to shit that sits for a while. It breaks in ways beyond comprehension.
I have, too. Maybe I'm still in denial over this dark magic, but I still think just about anything can be successfully stored, using proper tested procedures. Regarding fluids, fuel, batteries, tires, etc. Can't imagine how complicated it is for a million dollar fighter jet, though. But they're probably built tough, and not full of cheap materials that disintegrate (unlike my old car).
I had to look it up as well “The 309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group (309 AMARG) is a one-of-a-kind specialized facility within the Air Force Materiel Command structure.“
Dunno if it the only one or not
https://www.dm.af.mil/About-DM/Units/Mission-Partners/309-AMARG/
Give Ukraine hundred more tanks and jets and throw in some navy ships too.
Singing america n ukraine fuck yeah!!!