Good. The more Wagner's numbers are depleted the better.
this post was submitted on 28 Jul 2024
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Remember that short period when we were all rooting for Wagner?
No one was rooting for him, lol. Most sane people were hoping that he and Putin were both taken out somehow during his failed little rebellion.
No?
The thunder run
Am I supposed to know what that means?
It's a reference to Prighozin's armored column advancing on Moscow.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group_rebellion
The name derives from a rapid American advance into Baghdad in the Iraq War.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(2003)
On April 5, Task Force 1–64 Armor of the US Army's 3rd Infantry Division, 2nd Brigade, executed a raid, later called the "Thunder Run", to test remaining Iraqi defenses. The operation began south of Baghdad and went through main roads to the newly secured airport.[29] Iraqi resistance was disorganized, and the unit sustained few casualties. The unit was forced to abandon one tank due to a recoilless rifle or RPG strike in the rear that penetrated a fuel cell and set the engine on fire.[30] The crew was unharmed. Later, the Air Force bombed the tank to destroy it in place, and the Iraqi Information Ministry claimed credit for destroying it.
Two days later, the entire 2nd Brigade of the 3rd Infantry Division was ordered to conduct another "Thunder Run", following the same route as before. This route had been fortified in the intervening period, and senior leaders feared much more substantial resistance than during the prior encounter. Colonel David Perkins, the brigade's commander, followed the original Thunder Run route north into Baghdad, but then veered east into the government districts instead of west towards the airport. The 2nd Brigade easily took control of what is now the "Green Zone" in one day, dramatically speeding up the end of conventional ground combat in Iraq.[31]
I read: Prigjozin's armored clown advancing on Moscow.
It's too damn hot here, gotta hydrate more I guess 😅
no, turns out that was exactly that
Thank you. Then no, I didn't support them. I just hope Putin would pull enough troops out of Ukraine to fight them to make a difference. Unfortunately, that didn't happen.
Not surprised someone here decided we all supported Nazis just because they were fighting Putin. Some people have such a black-and-white view of the world.
It’s more of a rooting for them to take out Putin thing.
I really doesn’t think an offhand joke about a failed mutiny would get this deep
Maybe because your "offhand joke" didn't sound like a joke and you decided to speak for everyone.
Okay? I’m sorry that people took it seriously when I thought it was pretty obvious what I was going for.
Your NCD is leaking lol
I'm curious. When did you root for Wagner?
I mean there was that very brief period when it seemed like they might revolt against Putin.
Still didn't make them heroes in any way. They have a dirty smelly track record that will always stain them.
Wagner didn't march towards Moscow to give back the power to the Russian people.
Didn’t say it made them heroes, just pointing out a time when it was likely people would be supporting them.
“Rooting for them” in general is probably overstating but “rooting for them to take out Putin” would be reasonable IMO.
That was what I meant
Ok.
At least no one around me were actually hoping for Wagner to take out Putin. If Wagner were strong enough to pop Putin, who would take the power then? Prigozhin? Someone Prigozhin selected?
The only outcome of Wagner getting rid of Putin would be someone as "nice" as Putin ending up ruling Russia.
We would just end up with essentially the same problem but now with additional instability in a state with nuclear weapons.
But there's probably not a correct view on what people rooted for. I based my view on my experience from the people I surrounded myself with at the time.
Either way, hoping for that anything Wagner does ending up good is naive. The only good thing Wagner has done was the Battle of Khasham.
It might have been good or bad, and it would certainly have long-term impacts that we can’t predict and don’t matter now since it didn’t and can’t happen in that way.
Still didn't make them heroes in any way.
Of course not but it is amusing to observe fascists shooting at each other.
The thunder run
According to Dmitri from WarTranslated, around 80 Wagner troops have been killed and another 15 captured. Among the casualties is also the Russian Telegram blogger GreyZone.
https://nitter.poast.org/wartranslated/status/1817477534683889828#m
I’m no expert but they don’t seem very good at the whole combat thing
Russian military strategy is to throw people against the enemy's front line until they break through, which is not effecient in the age of automatic weapons
Their militia's (which Wagner group is) strategy is bullying civilians
looks at the bullet hole in the middle of the driver's side of the windshield
I dunno how far I'd trust the bulletproof glass on those VP11s.
I don't know if they stop bullets from a dshk.. that's 12.7mm of pure sustained fire hate and pretty ubiquitous as a technical mounted weapon for rebel groups around the globe.
And if these chaps where gunning for a large group of wagnerites I can imagine they brought "some".
Fuckem.