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Windows PCs can't sleep properly, and Microsoft wants it that way (www.spacebar.news)

submitted 11 months ago by corbin@infosec.pub to c/technology@beehaw.org

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

That explains why my 2017 Dell XPS 13 9360 with an 8th gen i7 never went to sleep properly. Originally it would just keep running the fans and the battery would drain. Then after a while it seemed to start sleeping but never turned on again so you'd have to reboot anyway. In the end I wiped Windows 11 off it and installed OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. Now shutting the lid works just fine.

I also have an XPS 13 9310 with an 11th gen i7 and Windows 11, and if I close the lid it seems to sleep but sometimes I come back to a completely dead battery.

I don't really understand the point of Modern Standby. Who wants the laptop to do things when it's closed and possibly in a backpack with no ventilation? That's when we want it not to do things.

[–] Jesus_666@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

People are using their smartphones instead of their PCs. That hurts sales. So PCs need to behave more like smartphones, e.g. by being able to notify you of new messages at all times. Then people will surely ditch their smartphones again and buy laptops.

Intel, Microsoft et al never considered that that's fundamentally not how PCs should work.

[–] yum13241@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

To make it worse, newer Intel CPUs can't even enter S3 state.

[–] 30p87@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I was kinda shocked to switch from an i5-6300U to a i5-1145G7 and not find more options in /sys/power/mem_sleep, but literally only s2idle. At least it works (i believe).

Maybe actual hibernation works now, too.

[–] yum13241@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Go Team Red next time. They still support S3, and probably CSM too.

[–] 30p87@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

It's not like I had a choice, both (or rather: almost all of my devices) are just sorted out tech my dad brought home from work. Even old desktop PCs are good as servers. And my current Laptop just has some small marks, that wouldn't look good for an employee representing a company, but are irrelevant for me.

If I buy a Laptop, it will definitely be a Framework. Costs like a (cheap) MacBook, but is better in basically every way. And: Fully Team Red,

[–] Helix@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well, two of my Arch Linux desktops recently don't like to shut down but reboot instead. What gives?

[–] yum13241@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Borked ACPI implementation. Lubuntu 18.04 used to do this on my HP 2000 Notebook PC (not my daily driver)

[–] Helix@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

on two completely different systems, one of which is an HP prebuilt desktop and the other a custom made one, when it worked flawlessly before and just suddenly stopped working with Kernel 6.1? Even if that's an ACPI fuckup by the manufacturer, they seem to have patched out the Kernel's mitigations for it.