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I found I2P much better than Tor network, and now it supports BitTorrent protocol too https://geti2p.net/en/docs/applications/bittorrent .

Why haven't the pirates migrated to I2P? Why are we still using clearnet and making people backout of seeding cause of DMCA?

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[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think non technical people find the concept of a network within a network confusing. I think its more of i2p itself.

I do think it is the future of filesharing and if I was to create a torrent I'd use i2p. Hopefully with more clients implementing support it sees further adoption.

[–] RunAwayFrog@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

I do think it is the future of filesharing

In internet years, Torrenting is old. I2P is old. Even torrenting in I2P is old. Nothing about this is "the future".

Ideally, the future of file sharing would involve a fully/natively integrated anonymous network with content-addressable distributed filesystem.

But this will probably not happen, as that architecture didn't see large scale success before, except in Japan where at least some elements of this architecture are used in their popular P2P networks.

The I2P crowd themselves tried with Tahoe-LAFS, but that was never really a network, even aMule over I2P had more traction, and by traction I mean tens or hundreds of users, not thousands or beyond.

Ironically, the one content-addressable distributed filesystem that gained some attraction (outside Japan) is IPFS, which doesn't offer anonymity, or replication, or anything special really. Yet for some reason, some hype-susceptible techies liked it, together with the NFT crowd, a great fit.

The future of file sharing will depend on where most content will land where it will be easily accessible and quickly grabbable. How those networks will look like? Nobody knows.

[–] virtueisdead@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

real answer? im way too stupid to figure out how the hell to use it. i spent 3 straight days trying to get it working a couple years ago with no luck.

[–] idkman@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 weeks ago

I was in the same circumstances when I started. But then I asked around which helped me properly configure it.

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would like I2P to be implemented as a default by pirates, but it looks like people (including myself) are lazy

[–] idkman@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not really a hassle to configure your i2p node. I2p network recently went through a DDOS attack. Even during that point of time I had no issue surfing/torrenting.

[–] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah, I meant that there isn't enough content on I2P because people are lazy to switch. For example, I torrent Asian media (using nyaa) and the last time I tried using I2P, I didn't find a lot of what I wanted. Hence I decided to go for a seedbox.

Cheers

[–] ninchuka@lemmy.one -1 points 1 year ago

Yeah that's one big hurdle to get past sadly, it's like getting people to switch to a new chat app "no ones on it I talk to so I'm not bothering"

[–] timkenhan@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

3 billion devices run Java.

[–] Bombastic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hmm. What more can you tell me about these 3 billion devices? Are they in the room with us?

[–] ChojinDSL@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

2 main issues with it:

Too slow for the average user. A lot less torrents available.

[–] Madiator2011@lm.madiator.cloud 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Probably mostly cause:

  • Slow speed unless you you keep your router 24/7
  • People are used to download torrents fast
  • Clearnet has much bigger torrent database
[–] idkman@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
  • if you configure your node correctly, you won't see much difference in bandwidth.
  • i2psnark can be fast.
  • but clearnet comes with an issue of tracking.
[–] whynotzoidberg@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think your response answers the question.

If configured correctly. Can be fast. IMO, once those statements are less conditional and prone to error, we might see the pro of privacy carry more weight.

[–] Anamana@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

People don't understand sometimes how much of a tech-ethusiast bubble we got going on here

[–] pohui@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because clearnet serves most of us just fine.

[–] mojo@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

No it doesn't, because that's how you get caught

[–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've been doing it for 20 years and have never been caught. I've never even heard of i2p until here just a couple of weeks ago. The fact that certain people are pushing it so hard and referring to standard methods in such a derogatory way makes me highly skeptical of trying it out.

[–] mojo@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just because you haven't been caught doesn't mean https is suddenly a private way to pirate. It's really not that complicated.

[–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And just because there is some new method available doesn't mean you're retaining your privacy there either. I have a VPN to hide my IP and as far as I'm concerned that's enough 'privacy' to avoid any issues.

What's the worst that'll happen, my ISP sends me a letter telling me to knock it off? You're acting like this is some sort of top secret black ops mission in need of complete secrecy.

I wonder if someone in Somalia is worried about “getting caught” or if piracy out in the open works fine for them

[–] god@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

It's not even prosecuted where I live. So I couldn't care less if it's clearnet or whether my IP address is public.

[–] toxictenement@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From what I have read on the upcoming implementation on i2p in qbit, I do not forsee it being adopted by the core torrent user base. The main issue I have with it is that while you can download from clearnet peers, you are only able to seed to other i2p peers. This completely eliminates any adoption by anyone using private trackers. Its not like the guys in brazil are going to jump through an extra hoop to hide their ip since they never needed to in the first place, so they can be ruled out for adoption as well. What I really fear is that its going to create a completely unnecessary schism in the userbase with a sort of 'leechnet' walled garden of i2p users which would hurt the greater availability of seeders. I also haven't gotten a straight answer from anyone how ports are going to work in i2p, since normally its imperative to have a forwarded port in order to be a full participant. Unless i2p users can seed to clearnet users without issue, I am going to be worried about the impact on torrent health as a whole.

[–] Lemmchen@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

This completely eliminates any adoption by anyone using private trackers

Doesn't it make the use of private trackers obsolete when no one can get sued anymore because they're all using an anonymous overlay network?