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Crash reporting (discuss.tchncs.de)
submitted 11 months ago by lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world
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it's a swole doge vs cheems meme

on swole doge side, there are two popups: kCrash and Ubuntu apport. Both have options to see detailed logs and an optional button to send report to developers, along with options to close the popup.
accompanied is a text that reads "Here's the information. What do you wish to do?"

on crying cheems side, there's popup for windows and mac. windows has just a cancel button with report being sent already. mac has ignore and report button. there is no option to see logs without reporting on both. here, accompanied text reads, "let's add this to the personally identifiable information we have on you."

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[–] Phanlix@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I'd love to switch to linux. But I love the video games, and I'm a pirate, because I'm broke. Until Linux gets real support for games, I can't join.

[–] drcabbage@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

With proton, Linux can play almost all games just fine. Is it 100%? No. But it is good enough to no longer make that an excuse anymore.

[–] Phanlix@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I've been trying for 3 hours to get fedora installed with working Nvidia drivers. Fuck Linux users and their bullshit elitist attitude, this OS is nowhere near user friendly

[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Just get a distro which ships them by default. I am once again gonna shill Garuda Linux - feels like I do this a couple of times each week.

[–] Phanlix@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Garuda Linux

I may eventually check that out. I was hoping to use a basic version of Linux then configure it for gaming myself to learn a bit, but am quickly realizing that Linux is still as absolutely unfriendly and unusable as it was 20 years ago.

[–] weker01@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

OK that's just user error: I want to do what experts are doing but it isn't easy. Why are these experts so elitist! Cry me a river.

There are a lot of pre-made solutions that are user friendly smh

[–] AlijahTheMediocre@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"Nvidia" and "Linux" in the same message is the problem I am seeing here.

Long story short be mad at Nvidia for not having properly supported drivers, they only just allowed opensource drivers but its very much still alpha software.

[–] Phanlix@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They're literally releasing official versions for Linux. I'm not going to be mad at Nvidia, I'm going to be mad at the Linux community at this point for saying in another thread where I was asking about Nvidia support, and they responded 'nah shouldn't be an issue, there are only rarely Nvidia issues. Fucking. Liars.

[–] weker01@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I only had a driver issue with Nvidia once in more than 10 years running Linux with Nvidia exclusively (need Nvidia for Cuda (and Cuda for work)) and that was fixed by temporarily downgrading

[–] BURN@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I wish I had that experience. I’ve had issues on every machine/distro I’ve tried to get NVidia working on. Fedora, Manjaro, Mint, Ubuntu, you name it, there’s been driver issues.

Apparently newer cars (20 series or newer) have a lot more problems

[–] weker01@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

Currently I've a 3090 before that I had a 1060 and the 3090 I bought almost at release. I genuinely never had a problem.

I hate saying this because of the all the toxic attitudes around but I ran gentoo and now arch Linux. Maybe they package the proprietary driver better?

[–] AlijahTheMediocre@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Official versions sure, but proprietary and they only work with X11 which is essentially deprecated.

Wayland is replacing X11, Nvidia has made no serious attempts to support Wayland in their proprietary drivers. Fedora, Ubuntu, and now Debian (the core three) have all moved to Wayland by default.

[–] weker01@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

Nvidia does take serious steps to support Wayland. Only since like half a year ago and not extremely fast but serious steps non the less.

[–] Titou@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

what game can't you play on Linux ?

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Basically anything with anticheat either isn't supported or it breaks consistently.

[–] Titou@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

also the games who require more gaming specs than they should

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you don't even open Event Viewer on Windows, are you really so computer savvy as you claim you are?

[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

Oh god, this gives me PTSD of trying to troubleshoots my buddies new machine which I built. I will die happy if I never have to so much as look at the event viewer ever again.

[–] somenonewho@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Well of course they need to report your information to Microsoft, after all the application crashed on your computer and since it's a Microsoft application it can't be the fault of the application (also why you don't see an error Log) so you must have been holding it wrong so they need your info to find out how you were holding it wrong.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The fuck are you smoking?

Or (which is a lot more likely) it sends data so Microsoft can improve the software and fix the bug that you encountered in their software.

(Why would they want to receive crash dumps if they don't believe to be at fault? That is just dumb logic)

If you want to see logs, you can just open the Event Viewer. It is a bit hidden because non-tech savvy people like you don't understand it.

[–] somenonewho@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

Sorry I thought I was exaggerating enough but once again sarcasm doesn't come through on the internet.

I know that actual logs are produced and can be viewed and I know that there are actual crash dumps being sent that are actually used for improvement.

Whole I don't believe in the "hide what's happening from the user" approach I get that Microsoft isn't actually malicious or hates their users.

Again sorry for dropping the /s

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

if you want to see the logs you have eventmgr.msc which consolidates all logs in one place.

[–] somenonewho@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

As stated above. I know that there are actual logs produced (I honestly would not have known where to look for them by heart but that's my shortcoming) my comment was meant to be sarcastic sorry for dropping that /s

[–] zaphod@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

On MacOS if you click on the "Report..." button it expands to something similar to what you see on the left.

[–] lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

thanks! never clicked that for fear that they'd do something similar to windows.
I'll try it next time it comes up.

maybe there should be a third button for less confusion? or does it go against apple's "design" principles? :p

[–] zaphod@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

To demonstrate I got an app to crash, this is what you see when you click on the report button. The report is longer, trying to show where the app crashed, at the bottom there's a button to send a report to apple

[–] lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

looks much better than what I'd thought. thanks for sharing mate! BTW, the interface is in French, right?

[–] zaphod@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

Yes, on the bottom it says on the left to hide the details, and on the right don't send and send to apple.