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[โ€“] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 17 points 3 hours ago

The point is: a lot of people browsing your site will at least temporarily have a no-JS experience without intentionally doing so.

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[โ€“] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 3 points 1 hour ago

Sadly, the rise of frameworks and SAAS have really killed security and accessibility through enforcement of JS.

'Back in the day' performance, download size, backwards compatibility, and non-js functionality was expected. Now it's not even on the radar for most big corps/agencies. Many places I've worked don't even care about responsiveness, which is crazy.

Now, there are so many 25mb websites that are unusable without JS or the right device...

[โ€“] PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 21 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

JavaScript sucks. I hate using it I hate coding it.

I whitelist js sources on my personal computer.

Only absolutely necessary for function scripts get loaded.

If they ask me to disable the adblocker I blacklist the domain.

[โ€“] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 hour ago

Javascript is like Dungeons and dragons. It's a mess, weighed down by legacy decisions, too heavy in some places and too light in others, and used in far more places than it should be. It also has some diehard fans, and some diehard fans who have never used anything else.

[โ€“] mesamunefire@piefed.social 18 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

I've done more than 18 years of dev work. I only hate js. All the other parts of the job are fine. Other languages are fine as well. I've had to learn so many. Hell I know cobol right along side ruby.

Js sucks. It sucks to debug. Its frameworks still have issues with basic stuff like many to many relationships.

All the solutions that don't use or use it sparingly work for years. The ones that rely on the language usually die a firey death by npm/yarn or get deprecated within 6 months.

[โ€“] PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 10 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Js frameworks make php frameworks seems stable efficient and logical by comparison.

Yikes.

[โ€“] mesamunefire@piefed.social 5 points 4 hours ago

Modern day php and laravel is actually not terrible.

But yeah I agree with you.