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Officer: "He had a gun."
Me: "It's America. who doesn't have a gun? It's a constitutional right, not an excuse for you to murder people. Was he pointing the gun at you, or did he just have one?"
Honestly I'm only shocked that more people haven't avenged their loved ones who have been murdered by cowardly racist cops.
The kid's gun was drawn. Am not surprised the cup did not wait for the kid to take aim. However...
Cops could have let him go (just like some jurisdictions abandon high speed chases). Surely there are enough CCTV cameras to eventually arrest him?
US needs to get civilised and reform gun laws like Australia did.
There was a time when I would have thought this was terrible. That time has passed. Its clear the police allow these malfunctioning humans in their ranks and the courts are unwilling to punish them. I know if I was on that jury I couldn't convict that man.
This is just going to happen more and more. This is the cost of justice denied and justice deferred that police have exploited for decades.
When people lose trust in a system, they will take matters into their own hands. It wont be clean or fair. It will be retribution, like what happened here.
The new age of the Wild West. Law and retribution is the hands of whoever makes it up.
Takes it up. Whoever takes it up. Justice in the next life, in this one there is only the law , and all men are equal before the law. Because Colt Firearms made them equal. Hammurabi in his grave is rising. Not to judge who is right, but who is left. So many lives broken by a broken straw of pressure on a sliver of metal pulled by an ignorant finger that should know better than to pull when someone is running away. We can’t sprinkle crack, drop a throwaway, and call it a day. Not now, not ever really, not any more.
We want peace. Piece by piece. Our land slips the dogs again. We say be aware. They say beware. We say be wary. They beg for war.
Gov. Mike DeWine of Ohio said in a statement on Friday that he had been briefed on the investigation, adding that he was “sickened by what appears to be an intentional act of violence.”
We’re all sickened by the intentional violence of police murdering whoever the fuck they want.
Weird, there's two acts of violence in the article, but they say it in the singular form... Wonder what that's about.
You cannot commit violence against filthy suspected criminals in their eyes, they are not considered human and have no rights.
The prosecutor’s office has contacted faith leaders, asking them to encourage their congregants to “let the process work,” she said.
What, the process where cops kill with disregard and get their actions get rewarded?
The process of sending “immigrants” to CECOT without due process or judicial overview.
when a man loses everything and has nothing left to lose, he loses it.
Suddenly a whole lot of terrorist organizations make a lot more sense. Now that I have a family, including a son, nothing would radicalize me faster than some cop or higher fucking with them. If I lose them, so too do they lose a pacifist civilian.
According to the article the son was in a stolen vehicle, and ran away with a gun in his hand before being shot and killed.
The father after seeing the body cam video went out and killed a deputy who was directing traffic.
The article doesn't say whether the deputy was involved in the shooting, but it's implied he wasn't.
The article, but frankly also the responses here, leave me with a lot of ethical questions. How is this not just incredibly tragic for everyone involved? How can you judge the police's handling of the situation that resulted in the killing of the son as absolutely unjustified based on what was in the article, and how can you be happy that a seemingly innocent person was killed by the father? I'm as sceptical about the police as the next person, ACAB and all, but it's a bit disappointing to see some of the reactions here, based on the information in the article. Perhaps I missed something and this was a George Floyd type situation? And it was the deputy who killed the son who was killed?
well for starters we dont believe the police account of the sons killing. Why should we? Cops lie and bully as part of their job and are held to no professional standards of conduct whatsoever. They are known to lie frequently in court as well. So how utterly stupid would we all have to be to just accept the cops narrative when the defendant is dead? We need video, or the cops are likely lying. They are some of the most untrustworthy gangsters on the planet.
Also we've all been fed 40 years of nonstop cop dramas on tv where the climax moment of all of them is them snapping and self righteously and violently taking the law into their own stupid hands. And the "dirty cop" stereotype is so worn its a tired cliche. But we're supposed to pretend they are simply who they say they are when its convenient for them? The cops themselves watch those shows.
Third, cops dont hire the best and brightest. If your IQ is too high you arent allowed to graduate. They want them stupid. The US also has one of the most minimal standards to hire law enforcement in the civilized world. It takes substantially more training to drive a bus or cut hair than it does to be a cop. During training they are given Israeli training, and sent to "killology" classes, where they are instructed to maximize every situation for dominance and brutality, or they are sternly told by some fatcat dipshit consultants that they are as good as dead. So they are trained to instigate conflict and then pin it on others and pretend those are crimes. Its outrageous, unconstitutional and just plain stupid. They need adult supervision that they dont have, and they need standards and ethics that they don't have or want. They have been fighting the most basic of common sense reforms for over a hundred years.
Theres a reason the rest of the world issues travel warnings to their citizens when they come to the US that our police are dangerous and apt to do illegal bullying things.
And you want to trot out "ethics" like its a poodle at a dog show when what I said above is the backdrop of what we are talking about? Ethics doesnt start with the very small context you want it to start with. Justice only exists within a larger system of universal justice, and our system isnt Just.
How can you judge the police's handling of the situation that resulted in the killing of the son as absolutely unjustified based on what was in the article?
To start with, by not judging it in a vacuum.
I commend you for wrestling with the ethics, but be careful what you take for granted. A kid is dead, and a father is likely looking around at how police misconduct has been handled, even before a fascist takeover of our federal government, and concluding that justice is not on offer to him or his kind unless he returns some measure of balance to the scales.
This is wrong, it’s tragic all around, but stuff like this will continue until there is real justice to be had.
Of course there's tragedy all around in this situation, this is neither the first or last example of dysfunctional law enforcement.
In a first step, maybe the son was in a stolen vehicle. Maybe they were running away. Neither is an offence tied with a death penalty, and especially not without trial. What if they'd been kidnapped or coerced?
Now to the tricky part, with media telling of people disappearing in the streets, or just increasing violence, being armed isn't unreasonable. And possibly even legal. Not subject to the death penalty, and not without trial.
If they were running away, they're not endangering the police - why were they killed? Not in enforcing the law, not in self defence.
There's plenty of reason for a relative to feel injustice has been done. And it's well known the police systematically avoid and deflect correcting such misjustice, as well as harass those seeking that.
It's not a far reach to take matters in your own hands, especially in your grief finding you've lost what to live for.
Mind you, if the police were doing their job properly, they wouldn't neither feel the need to shoot-to-kill, nor would they be targeted by vigilante retaliation.
.ml users siding with the police once again, I guess this is the logical endpoint of vanguardism
How you got that from my comment is beyond understanding. Did you read what I wrote? I was only commenting that based on the events as described in the article it is a little disappointing to read the gleefully and happy comments that an implied innocent person was killed by a grieving father.
As others have pointed out, the police in the US cannot be trusted. I do not trust the police in the US. I believe the militarisation of the police and the impunity with which they operate are a danger to the society. If anything I believe the police should be held to higher standards than the general population, not lower as I believe is the case. It's a fucked up institution and stuff must change.
But none of that justifies randomly killing someone. If that makes you think I'm on the side of the police then 🤷♂️
[Edit] I forgot to add that I do not blame the father exactly either. I cannot imagine what that must be like. I hope he will be judged fairly.
I'm on .ml and I fucking hate cops. You'll never see me concern trolling on behalf of some dead pigs.
lol what? That's such a gross mischaracterization of .ml users it borders on libel. If anything, they'd be in the ACAB camp.
they'd absolutely not be in the ACAB camp, considering the track record of tankies on creating police states. there wasn't a single ML state in history that didn't end up doing this.
also, considering your comment history of bootlicking .ml instances, you're either using an alt to appear less reactionary or just extremely gullible when it comes to ML propaganda.
Dude, you're so misinformed. They're anticapitalist, therefore they're anti capitalist-police. Police, especially Western police, protect capital. There's no way a person you'd consider a tankie would support American police. Absolutly no way.
Bootlicking? I do not. Anyone can check my comment history and see that.
Indeed, I want to see the video and who was the police officer involved in the shooting.
Well, I would prefer not to see, but I get what you're saying.
Here, an MSM approved headline:
A killer cop involved in the murder of someone's son, appears to have been involved in a fatal car crash that ended their life that happen to belong to the father of the murdered son. The Hamilton County PD seem content in prosecuting the man whose's vehicle found to have been involved in the crash as a homocide, instead of a tragic accident. The name of the killer cop has not been released in fear of further retaliation by the community.
The owner of the vehicle is accepting legal defend donations at 27054750810.
Not guilty.
Chief Theetge said that city police officers responded to a residential cul-de-sac on Thursday, where they found a car that had been reported stolen in northern Kentucky.
One of the four people, identified by the authorities as Ryan Hinton, had a gun in his hand, Chief Theetge said.
the officer called out that Mr. Hinton had a gun.
Mr. Hinton fell to the ground and the responding officers provided first aid, Chief Theetge said.
A firearm was recovered at the scene, the chief added. Another gun was found inside the stolen car, the police said.
And we all know how much we can trust what the police say.
Freak accident, weird
Justice is served.
Not until the jury decides to acquit on ethical grounds.
Nullification
This is just wrong. He should have used a high powered rifle to maintain his anonymity and taken out not just the cop who killed his son but all of the cop's superiors, prosecutors and judges who failed to hold the cop accountable. Glad he got the bastard though. #ACAB
He didn't take out the cop that killed his son, he drove into a random deputy on traffic duty.
And this incident happened the morning after his son was killed - although I agree there's never much hope for the system to police itself, this was too soon for any prosecutors or judges or anyone to have failed to hold the cop accountable
You think the cop might have been held accountable?! In the USA?
I'd like to think that I wouldn't kill anyone, but I haven't just watched someone kill my son when his back was turned.
The article doesn't say that the cop directing traffic wasn't the cop who killed his son. It just hints at it.
One cop is as good as another. Cops murder the poor indiscriminately, but they pay special attention to brown and black people. I think cops who use lethal force should automatically lose their job. If the force is found to be justified, they don't go to prison and if it isn't justified they should get a life sentence. One day is enough to fire someone.
There is no more accountabilty for policemen in us. The diaper don made sure of it.
I see no connection. The fact a leader was made responsible for their poor descisions through an act of god is extremely ironic and I am sure the jury will see that.
Jury nullification would be perfect for this case
Based
Thoughts and prayers
T&p
Oh no. What a freak accident?! This is horrible!
Good!
...shit happens, right?