Chances for the fediverse? Elon Musk takes hit as Europeans ditch X in droves : fediverse

[–] b3an@lemmy.world 2 points 15 minutes ago* (last edited 15 minutes ago)

Couldn’t happen to a nicer piece of shit.

[+] arakhis_ 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

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[–] johnlukepeckard@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Where did you read that? 80% would be insane if true

[–] arakhis_ 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

how can you respond to my deleted comment. I instantly deleted it after seeing a comment where I could add the same message under, so the discussion is more bundled

either way

funk's german post referenced this Imperva Bad Bot Report 2024

EDIT 74% not 80%, doesnt change anything tbh :D

[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 1 points 37 minutes ago

I still see it too, interestingly

[–] Bongles@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

Anecdotally, I watch reels on Instagram (i know) and the vast majority of meme pages that it shows me are the exact same setup around a slightly different premise, with the same purchased comments pinned from the same accounts or the accounts comment saying something like they're too broke for paid comments please like.

80% is probably high but I wouldn't be that surprised.

[–] Wimster@europe.pub 22 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Don't go to BlueSky !!! They're not better than X. They obey to the same leaders... MONEY, GREED, AND POWER. A few weeks ago they restricted 72 Turkish protesters the access to their BlueSky accounts on simple request of the Turkish Government. So, BlueSky cannot be trusted they will secure the accounts of their customers. If Trump would ask BlueSky to block all accounts of members who are against him, they'll do it right away.

https://www.turkishminute.com/2025/04/17/bluesky-restrict-access-72-account-turk-amid-government-pressure7/

[–] Muyal@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Make mastodon more accessible then.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Which accessibility standards does Mastodon break?

[–] Muyal@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

Oh boy, where do I even begin:

Federation. People have no idea what it is, which means that they have to familiarize themselves with all these technical concepts just to create an account.
Servers. Most mastodon servers are locked, and you have to petition the admins to let you in, which often implies waiting more than a day. In other sites, you can create an account in 5 seconds, so mastodon is at a disadvantage.
Lack of an algorithm. This implies people won't see the content they like, which means they have to go and actively look for content. Most people don't want to spend time doing that, they just want to log in, laugh at funny memes ans look at pretty pictures.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 minutes ago* (last edited 2 minutes ago)

So, you don't know what accessibility standards are. You're just using a term, "accessibility", to mean "the way that I want it to work".

[–] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 hour ago

3 is a feature to me. The "algorithms" seem to create bubbles, and I want to decide myself.

[–] MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 hour ago

I'm pretty sure Mastodon is made of algorithms, mate

[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

BlueSky may not be ideal, but anything is better than X.

X is just a machine for turning billionaire cash into political domination.

[–] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago

bluesky is just early twitter, and it wont stay that way for long. they've already removed people from there that the Turkish govt doesn't like and there is nothing at all stopping some billionaire like musk from swooping in and buying it all up.

[+] toastmeister@lemmy.ca -16 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (6 children)

Europe doesnt want federated services, they want censorship.

Saying that oil production lowers emissions by displacing coal will be called climate misinformation, saying immigration needs to be lower due to a housing crisis will be called hate speech, using Bitcoin instead of the digital euro will be called terrorist financing. They're already arresting people who do something as benign as retweet things, its a slippery slope.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 9 points 1 hour ago

Meanwhile, in reality, the EU funds lemmy's development.

[–] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Have you been to Europe? They have “walking” cities. You really don’t need a car to get around. My kids backpacked through Europe. The furthest they had to travel from a hostel was outside Amsterdam. 8 km on bicycles! My son just came back from Japan (I know, not Europe). He talked a lot about the “Shinkansen”. A high speed train that travels 280 km/h. They were able to travel all over Japan “without” a car.

[–] Ronno@feddit.nl 2 points 43 minutes ago (1 children)

As a Dutchman, I agree we have great infrastructure and "walking" cities. But you've only seen Amsterdam. Outside of the cities, The Netherlands is more dependent on cars than you might think. I live on the border of the country and public transport is basically non existent and cycling is not viable due to travel distances, every adult has a car in my area. A family of 4 adults (children over 18 living at home) have 4 cars parked in front of their house here. We're not as car dependent as the US, but we don't live in a fairytale either.

[–] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 2 points 38 minutes ago

Thank you for the insight. I always appreciate being educated :).

[–] MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

saying immigration needs to be lower due to a housing crisis will be called hate speech

Yeah, that's kinda hateful. True, it really would make things easier for EU citizens if less people were using the limited housing. But it would make things harder for the immigrants. Putting citizens over immigrants is... xenophobia.

Why waste the government's time solving the problem at poor people's expense, when the government could instead tax rich people more to pay for housing?

[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Putting citizens over non-citizens is called being a government.

Xenophobia is the irrational fear of foreign. And fear in this context usually shows up in the form of hate.

Putting citizens first does not mean hating the rest. Being a citizen of a country means that your government should represent you and your interests. It's only natural that it develops into benefits for citizens.

Xenophobia on a person level is when you see a person that you think is not part of your same origin, do you cross the street, or attack him or whatever. Of course this is not even close to being an exhaustive list.

Xenophobia on a country level is when you punish foreigners irrationally. Not letting foreigners into your country because you have a housing crisis is not irrational, it is a valid reason.

I find it hard to find examples of country-level xenophobia. Even if the act itself may seem xenophobic, the government may want to gain popular support of their xenophobic population, which would be a reason and thus non-xenophonic.

Of course, not being xenophobic does not mean it is good. For example Israel genociding Palestinians is horrible. But their reason is that having a neighbor that claims the same land as you do is problematic, and they figured if they just kill everyone the world will forget in 100-200 years (or less) while the land will be theirs for longer than that with no revels, since they genocided them. Of course, having a reason does not mean that it's not many other bad things (in this case, genocidal, which is worse than xenophobic).

[–] MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 49 minutes ago (1 children)

Being a citizen of a country means that your government should represent you and your interests.

I'm interested in everyone's wellbeing. Also, the government should represent its citizens' moral interests. It should teach them kindness by being an example.

Not letting foreigners into your country because you have a housing crisis is not irrational, it is a valid reason.

Not valid. It's discrimination.

[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 1 points 20 minutes ago

The results of an action being done for a reason being discriminatory does not make the reason invalid.

Almost any policy is discriminatory.

Taxing the rich more is discriminatory against the rich. Helping women out is discriminatory against the men. Ending segregation is discriminatory against people that don't want be near people different to them. The list is endless.

I assume you agree with all 3 of those policies. Yet they are discriminatory. Those 3 policies are done because of very valid reasons.

There are very few policies that I'd say are not desceiminatory. Like universal basic income or universal healthcare. And even then, by your definition of discriminatory, those would be discriminatory. Since they would still discriminate against non-citizens.

There is no world where a person born in X country that has never left X country to receive income from a UBI policy of Y country. Unless X and Y countries have some sort of deal where that happens.

[–] toastmeister@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

If you had a zoo would you continue bringing in animals if they had no space left to live comfortably?

Likely you would call that inhumane, you wouldnt say they were being intolerant of the new animals if they did not.

[–] MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

People aren't zoo animals.

[–] toastmeister@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

So cram them into substandard housing because they deserve less rights than animals?

You're not offering a tangible answer here, the argument is situational similarity, not ontological equivalence.

[–] MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 hour ago

And you think telling immigrants they're not allowed to enter the country gives them more rights?

[–] tfm@europe.pub 1 points 1 hour ago

Oh boy...

[–] SushiRain@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Arresting people for retweeting? Really? Can you provide a source?

[–] toastmeister@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 hours ago

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/policing-speech-online-germany-60-minutes-transcript/

[–] xeekei@lemm.ee 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Too true. EC's constant attacks on encryption is worrying to say the least. I hope nothing goes thru.

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 136 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

The right-wing billionaire’s platform has recently lost about 10 percent of its European user base.

It's a good start but we gotta pump those numbers up.

[–] arakhis_ 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

remember 80% of instagram is bots according to a study reported by german media.

so X id even say it could be more giving the vast hatred increase and content change over the last years. so basically they lost 90%

EDIT/additional bit: funk's german post referenced this Imperva Bad Bot Report 2024

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[–] atro_city@fedia.io 38 points 13 hours ago (8 children)

Let me guess, they're moving to Bluesky?

[–] Sl00k@programming.dev 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I tried moving to Mastadon first a few years ago and it was a pretty shit experience, Bluesky however has stuck in my app rotation pretty well.

[–] excral 1 points 27 minutes ago* (last edited 26 minutes ago)

General advice regarding open source: even if you tried something out years ago and didn't like it, it may be well worth giving it another shot. Open source projects often need some time to mature and take their time to improve, but only get better over time.

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[–] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 12 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

I mean, Mastodon is German, so they're probably moving here. The federated fork of Dorsey's Twitter is second.

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 16 points 10 hours ago

BlueSky is not federated. Also German users have outsized representation on Mastodon but most of the network is outside Germany.

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