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(Seizing the state and then slowly reforming it is still slowly reforming it)

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[–] seeking_perhaps@mander.xyz 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is an anti-historical take. You can disagree with ML methods or ideology while still acknowledging where they have had material success in bringing about wins for the working class.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 month ago

Really, that's very interesting. I didn't know marxist-leninists did any communist revolutions. I thought they only did socialist revolutions, and then expected the state to magically wither away over time. Of course, as you and I both know, Marx defined communism as stateless, so socialism with a state is not communism, and a revolution that doesn't immediately dismantle the state isn't a revolution producing communism. Could you give me any historical examples of marxist-leninists doing communist revolutions? Because honestly I thought only anarchists had ever done a real communist revolution.

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Vote for Biden THEN move him left! (never mind that the DNC went to court to ensure their right to run whoever they want, and that both parties move the goalposts anytime a 3rd party comes close to inclusion, completely ensuring zero methods to move anybody to the left)"

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago

Actually, the Stalinists are the ones saying not to vote for Biden.

[–] Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Is it acceptable to say I’m a liberal while US democrats by and large aren’t?

Still better than the alternative by a mile, but that’s a super low bar.

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

while US democrats by and large aren’t

I'm not sure what you mean?

[–] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 months ago

I think they mean that the US Democratic Party does not stand for any of the values of liberalism besides capitalism.

[–] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

We know how feasible communist revolutions are. They end up in authoritarianism, not in communism.

[–] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

Socialism is working out fairly well for the Zapatistas rn. It worked out well for Catalonia until the PCE and the Republicans backstabbed the POUM and CNT, leading to the fascists winning against a weak and broken-up left.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It seems like communism works best when it's entered into voluntarily, which the capital class never will.

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Tell that to Salvador Allende. Without the military completly on your side the US will sponsor a coup and instal the most brutal dictator in your countries history after they kill you.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago

United States incursions may apply