The reason why you should not have an iPhone. It is a walled garden and Apple is the ministry of truth in this walled garden.
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Sounds like you're trying to justify defending a rapist.
I am criticizing the closed garden iOS ecosystem. This has nothing to do with Andrew Tate except the fact his app was censored for being "contraversal".
"Controversial"? No - he's an asshole and horrible person.
If your think he's simply controversial then that says a lot more about you than Apple.
Apple should allow installing apps from third parties.
Apple should not let this asshole sell his app on their store.
Sigh. Your pro censorship and think those who are not are horrible. What a surprise.
Read my other comments in this thread to see why I can care less who it is. Weather it is an asshole or an angel.
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*couldn't
*whether
Oh, I've read a ton of your naive "censorship is bad m'kay" takes. You think it's sheltering your argument from criticism when it's really not.
Some censorship is fine. Who is doing it, the magnitude, and why all matter. This is not a black and white issue.
I mean, sure, I will almost always die on this hill - but for something that supports harming women (or people in general), and/or is part of a pyramid scheme? Naw dawg ima dip out for a second and go get some smokes (and also never come back).
Now, if it was like an app that was supporting human rights or something that is being removed, sure, it's bad to have an entity control what you see/hear/interact with. And there may be gray areas between those two examples. But suppressing a human(s) just because the developer has a tiny pp and needs to overcompensate to the max? And try to gain traction and supporters to do the same? Uhh, no fucking way.
I mean, sure, I will almost always die on this hill - but for something that [Insert excuse here]
Now, if it was like an app that [Insert app that I like], sure.
Really bro? Lets say you liked Jimmy. Jimmy was a contraversal guy and Jimmy had the Jimmy app on the App Store. Then Apple took down the Jimmy app since they do not like Jimmy, Jimmy is too contraversal, Jimmy triggers too many people online.
You either die on this hill of being against censorship or you don't.
You do not have to like or support Andrew Tate to be against his app being taken off the App Store.
I feel like your negative opinion of censorship is so strong that it overpowers your morality. Would you let a serial killer walk around shouting that we should kill everyone just for the sake of preventing censorship, or would you insist they’re locked up? See, even you have your limit.
Its a less extreme example, but the same logic applies here. We shouldn’t just let misogyny grow for the sake of ‘freedom’. That’s how you end up with stuff like the Nazis. Classic bystander mentality.
An app won't kill anyone on its own. Just like how guns don't kill people, people kill people.
What about an app whose intention is to make it easier to kill as specific subset of people?
Show me an app that does that?
It’s a hypothetical
Exactly, not based in reality.
This app didn’t get taken down because it was by a “controversial” guy. It got taken down because content in the app encouraged violence and because the app itself was a pyramid scheme (People had to pay $50/month just to use the app, with promises of rewards if they got more people to join).
Google removed the app from their store, too. Yes, you can still probably install it from their website or a third party app store on Android, and yes, it would be great if third party app stores and sideloading existed for iOS (and they kinda do, though they’re very limited) but even if they did exist it would be reasonable to expect every single one of them to refuse to host this app (especially if “hosting” entails accepting payments).
Tate can still host this via the web. He can even build a progressive web app for it. I suspect he’ll run into issues collecting that $50 monthly payment any way other than by crypto, though, since I suspect most payment processors will refuse to work with him.
The app was taken down because it had Andrew Tate's name on it, lets not kid ourselves.
Even if you were correct on why the app was taken down due to "it will cause violence", minus well ban all social media apps and messanging apps.
If the app was banned due to it being a scam (which is not the case), that is reasonable to protect users, but still sucks since even if the app was banned with the excuse of it being a scam, iOS users are SOL since there is no alternative way to really install apps on iOS.
If the app was banned due to it being a scam (which is not the case)
The term "scam" is a straw man. "Scam" is subjective, so you could define a scam as "an app that provides no content and steals your money" and conclude that the app in question is not that, and therefore fine.
The main assertion in the article is:
the app deliberately targets young men and encourages misogyny, including members of the app sharing techniques on how to control and exploit women. The firm has also claimed that there is evidence to suggest that the app is an illegal pyramid scheme
The main assertion in the article is:
It is a Guardian article. Not a trustworthy source, has a strong leftie bias and has been known to dox people in the past.
Therefore, why should I take the article accusations seriously?
Sorry I don't really understand your position.
You're rejecting the quotes from the article on the basis of the publication, suggesting a better accusation would be a "scam", and then refuting that accusation as baseless.
I'm not trying to be an ass, I mean this as kindly as possible, but this is a straw man argument. You should look into logical fallacies. They're well documented tactics for manipulating people and misrepresenting information. Everyone should. It will help you to reason about information and ultimately identify when you're being manipulated.
I cannot imagine being blue pilled.
I'm confident that the amount of things you cannot imagine is quite substantial; certainly far more than that of an average person.
If the issue were his name, then it wouldn’t have made it on the App Store in the first place.
Apple also removes social media apps that don’t meet their standards for moderation, so that’s already a thing. For example:
Note that Apple didn’t remove “Truth Social” (though Google did) so this isn’t a political issue (it may be for Google, but I doubt it).
Check out Apple’s App Store Review Guidelines. Personally, I approve of Apple protecting its users from scams and other dangerous content. There are a ton of things I’d love for them to be more open about allowing, but I’m fine with them banning apps like this one.
Is your issue that you don’t like Apple’s requirements? If so, this app is an excellent point in their favor in most people’s eyes.
Is your issue that you think Apple’s requirements are discriminatory in some way? If so, an app by a cis het white misogynist is probably not a great example of that.
Do you think their standards were applied unfairly? If so, I find it hard to believe that you even read their guidelines.
Honestly, I get the impression that you’re just a Tate fanboy and that you’re mad that Apple pulled his app.
scam (which is not the case)
I’m guessing you haven’t visited the website, because it screams “Scam!”
no alternative way to install apps on iOS
cis het
I stop reading after that since those are made up words.
My two cents is that censorship is bad. Not many on lemmy get it since they see censorship as a weapon to use against their opponents. However censorship usually always gets out of control over time and that is why I oppose it.
Android is the way to go since Android is censorship resistant to app store bannings by allowing APK sideloads and alternative app stores to Google Play.
I stop reading after that since those are made up words.
Ahh, so you're a complete fucking moron then. Checks out since you're defending Andrew "I moved to Romania so I wouldn't be charged with rape" Tate.
I stopped reading because your entire comment is composed of made up words.
Go fanboy somewhere else.
I stop reading after that since those are made up words.
How did you manage to read any words before those?
All words are made up.
Were you a user of this app? Why do you say it's not a scam?
I never used the app. However I know many tankies hate Andree Tate and Lemmy is full of tankies. I doubt a famous guy on the internet will start a scam app which will ruin his reputation. And seeing people get cancelled by tankies over snd over again with false accusations, I am sure the accusation of this app being a scam is false.
Even if the app is a complete scam and Andrew Tate made it to scam his fans, sadly tankes online have zero credibility for making that accusation. Why should I trust lefties (a cult following) that cancelled so many people over false accusations in the past?
Call me a fanboy if you want, I do not know much about the man. Even if Andrew Tate is a truly evil man, it is not my fault since the reputstion tankies have made when it comes to "he should be cancelled" is always due to absurb reasons and is fuelled with envy and hate.
If you do not like my answer to this, fine. I do not care and thats your problem since cancel culture brought me to this conclusion. And I am against censorship in general which is known to piss off many tankies.
Dunno.. this feels like the first genuinely good news I've heard apple linked with in a long while.
How is censorship good news? Yeah this is all about Andrew Tate, but that is not the point. The point is that censorship is bad and censorship can occur on centralized app stores were it is done for "politicial" reasons.
I don't care if you think Andrew Tate is evil, it is the action of banning an app because "we do not like you". That is the problem and Apple users have no choice since they are in a walled garden.
Some censorship is good tbh.
Sigh