Can someone explain for the non-religious folk?
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Calling someone a “pastor” is a Protestant thing. You wouldn’t hear a Catholic call The Pope a pastor.
Vance, like a lot of tradcaths, is LARPing because the rituals look cool. Sorta like how Andrew Tate is a “Muslim” because he thinks it’s all about controlling women, but at the same time unabashedly drinks in public.
Like not all Catholics are obsessed with the Pope, but like I have merch of the man from my Vatican visit. I have some conservative Catholic family critical of the Pope’s more progressive views, but they would never talk like this.
Being from Europe some things may differ, but in all of my contact with catholics, including my own upbringing, you'd never adress any of the clergy as a pastor.
You might talk about them as pastor/shepherd, but again, that's a weird thing to do as a practicing catholic, and will be rare even in academic discourse. Even catholics critical of the Pope are drilled in adressing him as The Pope, Il Papa (or similar), or very casually as the Holy Father.
Some edgy bishops might speak about the the papacy as shepherding the wayward, but that's far out from accepted dogma, and entirely inappropriate in this situation.
Calling the Pope a pastor is very much an outsider perspective thing or actively disrespectful. Either way, it doesn't make Vance look good.
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"Pastor" is the term for the person that leads a church / church congregation. The general ranking of the hierarchy is:
- Deacon (not yet a priest, are usually all volunteer, but can do some ceremonies)
- Pastor or priest (ordained, usually employed by the Church itself, they're allowed to hold all ceremonies and conduct mass or church service)
- Bishop (management level, must be 35, must be a priest for 5 years)
- Archbishop (oversee multiple churches and run the archdiocese; there's 196 in the US. Wyoming has a single archdiocese)
- Cardinal (upper management, only cardinals are allowed to vote on new popes)
- Lastly - Pope. The man at the top, there's only one.
J.D. Vance is Catholic, and referred to the Pope as a 'pastor'. This would be like somebody saying "(insert American President) was a good mayor".
there's only one.
unless
Yea yea there's some schismatics out there that claim to be the "actual" pope but there hasn't really been an anti-pope since 1449.
But there was pope emeritus
"Pastor" is a Latin word that means shepherd. Francis would appreciate the title of pastor, because for his entire papacy he put the pastoral concerns of guiding the congregation before theology and nearly any other concern the church might have.
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I think pastor is for the Protestants.
I'm assuming priest orr something similar. Please understand I am also non-religious. So I'm basically just guessing
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The use of "pastor" is totally normal and not worth noting.
The "interesting" part is how this fascist refuses to talk about how he completely opposes the politics of the former pope.
Yeah, just like using three fingers and not the thumb to indicate three is totally normal and not worth noting.
that is under JD vanced REAPED his soul.
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