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[–] TellusChaosovich@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

They arrested an addict whose drug use may have led to a miscarriage, or who may have just had a miscarriage completely unrelated to the drug use, or a mixture of multiple issues.

There is no difference between this and obesity, alcohol, smoking, or poor diet. Obesity has a voluntary aspect to it, and increases your chances of miscarriage. Eating non-nutritious foods, micro plastics, not taking prenatal vitamins can all contribute to miscarriage. Getting into a car accident while voluntarily driving while pregnant, staying with a violent husband who beats you while pregnant... I mean where do you draw the line at making the pregnant woman 100% responsible for anything that happens while she is pregnant?

[–] Syndic@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I mean where do you draw the line at making the pregnant woman 100% responsible for anything that happens while she is pregnant?

Oh that's very easy. The line is drawn at being rich and white.

The cruelty against poor and preferably non-white women is the whole point of such laws.

[–] SamsonSeinfelder@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago

What a hellhole of a country for woman. One step closer to Afghanistan.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This also has the added layer of jailing someone who is struggling with addiction. Oof.

This poor woman needed treatment, not a manslaughter conviction.

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

But what if her addiction killed someone, how would that not warrant jail?

[–] Terces@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Addiction is not something you can control. In a way she was sick and there is not very much she could have done. Sure, "don't take drugs while pregnant" or "don't get pregnant while being an addict" sound like obvious things, but drugs can cloud your judgement.

And that is before you even think about what constitutes as a "someone". I don't even want to start the discussion on it, but there IS the question of when a fetus counts as another life/person.

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So then people that are addicted should not be punished for crimes they commit related to their addiction?

[–] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They should be rehabilitated in an institution that is set up to help them beat the addiction and re-join society.
If necessary, they should be removed from society and locked up, if they pose a danger to others.
Putting them in a typical American prison that is designed to make their life as miserable as possible while extracting free labor helps neither them, nor the victims, nor society.

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Since we cant force people to get healthy they will be in our society with their addictions. Should they be punished for their crimes?

[–] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Depends on the crime, the motive and their state of sanity.
Generally, it's for a court to decide.

[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So then the woman that was taking meth, and killed her fetus is or is not liable for the death of the fetus? If your theory is that people that are in the middle of addiction are not responsible for their actions then that is pretty disasterous in multiple ways.

[–] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 0 points 8 months ago

That's not my theory, and you're not interested in engaging with me in good faith, so good bye.