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[โ€“] LazyKoala@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

As a German, it's hard to imagine that the German rental model is an improvement to anything. It's horrible. Private landlords honestly stuck even more than corporate ones. Lots of people who feel entitled to put whatever restrictions they want on tenants, regardless of the law. Racism/favorism are rampant, people are literally paying for appointments to just look at apartments and also to be favored in the selection process.

It's bad.

[โ€“] ECB@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

I Moved from Germany to the UK a little over a year ago.

The UK (at least London) is soooooooo much worse as far as renting goes. I rented a few places in Germany in a couple different cities and every place had some annoyances, but I just wasn't prepared for what a free-for-all shitshow it is in the UK.

Literally hundreds of people coming to viewings for a single place. Landlords can basically raise rents whenever they feel like it and force you out. The places are generally absolutely terrible quality with very little incentive to improve things. I had places trying to force 3+ year contracts with no break clause. I've never experienced so many colleagues constantly having issues with "the landlord raising rents by 30% and when we refused or tried to negotiate we got forced out". Then you have to scramble to find a place in a month.

They price everything based on number of bedrooms rather than size, so landlords are incentivized to subdivide flats into multiple units and minimise space. A 4-bed flat-share with no living room? Fairly standard, even for working professionals.

Plus, after you pay the extortionate rents the TENANT pays the taxes (council tax).

I encountered issues in Germany with renting (particularly when I first moved there) but the German situation would be a HUGE improvement for most of the UK

[โ€“] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Wait, we are the model? What is the world coming to?

[โ€“] sohnemann@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Here in New Zealand renting is horrible compared to renting in Germany. You can't hang up anything, most places are cold and damp but still expensive. Then there are regular inspections that are quite invasive where an agent takes photos of the whole apartment or house. Germany is paradise compared to that.

[โ€“] rainynight65@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

It's the same in Australia, plus you can basically be kicked out any time if the landlord decides they want to use the house for something else or just up the rent. Renting in Australia is highly precarious.

[โ€“] agrammatic@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Cost or supply are one thing, but Germany definitely has strong tenancy rights.

Cyprus likes to pride itself as having strong tenancy rights too, but it's not even half of what I enjoy in Germany. I didn't even have to get permission to hang a picture on the wall.

[โ€“] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That's all nice and all, but tenancy rights are kind of moot, if you can't afford a reasonably sized apartment or even find anything at all.

[โ€“] ECB@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

Welcome to the UK where the same rental would be twice the price without any security or rights to your place.

Renting is fucked basically everywhere, but in Germany it's less fucked than most places, if you can believe it.

[โ€“] agrammatic@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

No, not really. They aren't moot.

[โ€“] RedPandaRaider@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

The only real tenant rights are not being able to be kicked out for no reason and legal protection of children. That's about it.

Landlords still can and will raise your rent irresponsibly and add any kind of extra cost to your rent. All that without providing anything more.

[โ€“] bob_lemon@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wait what? People can not hang pictures without their landlord's permission in other countries?

[โ€“] agrammatic@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

Where German rental contracts say "any alterations need to be reverted for handover", rental contracts where I originally come from say "any alternations are forbidden without the express permission of the lessor".

[โ€“] SamVergeudetZeit@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wait, renting works in germany? How is it working?

[โ€“] trollercoaster@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

For Landlords, especially corporate ones, very well, I've heard.

[โ€“] neeeeDanke@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Germans typically stay far longer in their rented homes

Yeah, partially because you can not find anything new at nearly the same price

, which are cheaper

For those with old contracts, Berlin for example is at 13โ‚ฌ/m^2 for new rentals. With a median household income of 2117โ‚ฌ/month that would be a 54 m^2 appt for one household assuming you spent 1/3 of your income on rent.

(All of that even assuming you can find an appartment at all)

[โ€“] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

13 euros means a 54 sqm flatwould cost 702 euros cold. That's impossible to find unless you know someone and they directly pass you their contract. The market is pushing closer to 20 sqm. So I'm stuck in my 8 year contract forever.

[โ€“] Anekdoteles@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Berlin for example is at 13โ‚ฌ/m^2 for new rentals.

For new rentals? If you find one for that price let me know. Would be a free money glitch.

[โ€“] neeeeDanke@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Its the average for Q1 23: [https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/535119/umfrage/mietpreise-auf-dem-wohnungsmarkt-in-berlin/](statisa 2023)

[โ€“] DrM@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

The problem with statistics like this is that you dont know what exactly the area is. Berlin is HUGE, so there are lots of flats on the market which are feasible. You might be able to find a flat in Kleinmachnow, Spandau or Wilhelmshagen for cheap, but if you are studying or working in Berlin you usually search in the city center and rents there are waaaay higher than 13โ‚ฌ/mยฒ.