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[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wish we had that here. I could only afford a home on a busy street and the pollution is bad enough we it is without the modded trucks, muscle cars and motorcycle racing by at 1am. It's illegal, but uninforced.

And that crying about being spied on... we already have cameras everywhere, actually having them used for something we want would be lovely. This and carpool lane enforcement, regulated in a way that can't be abused (unlike red light and stop sign cameras, which local governments really abuse given lack of top down regulation).

[–] Majikthise@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

I hear that the UK is trialling them in England an Wales, and London also had a trial run in 2021/22. Not sure what came of it, though.
Trouble is, the UK has no law limiting the noise a car can make. Only if there is e.g. a modified exhaust can the police even do something.

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Otherwise known as microphones?

[–] aggelalex@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cameras with microphones. Once a loud vehicle is detected the license plate has to be photographed.

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Great, for added big brother points, the government could literally listen to every conversation on every street corner...

Edit. Perhaps someone could enlighten me as to why the police having live recording microphones everywhere is a good idea, generally you'd need a warrant to record citizens.

But sure, this is just for loud exhausts and has no other possible uses. Lol!

I always ask myself with these sorts of things, what would the CCP do?

China’s ambition to collect a staggering amount of personal data from everyday citizens is more expansive than previously known, a Times investigation has found. Phone-tracking devices are now everywhere. The police are creating some of the largest DNA databases in the world. And the authorities are building upon facial recognition technology to collect voice prints from the general public.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/21/world/asia/china-surveillance-investigation.html

I don't think it's wise to install potential dual use surveillance tech that a future government/leader could use

[–] Mad_Punda@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

This can be done without constantly recording or transmitting what the microphone perceives. It can simply start recording sound and picture when a noise is detected that is loud enough / matches the pattern we’re looking for. This can be done just on the device. No big brother tech needed.

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Have you been sleeping under a rock for the last 15 years? If the government wants to listen to you, they'll just use the microphone in your pocket. Or better: they don't listen to your incoherent ramblings and go straight for your search history, which is much more interesting than what you are generally talking about.

[–] giantofthenorth@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know if you know this, but it's pretty easy for someone to make private their phone, search history, etc. You just need to be a little dedicated and sacrifice some usability.

You cannot do the same with microphones listening everywhere that you do not own.

Have some sense.

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's what you think if you haven't worked in the Telecom sector before.

[–] giantofthenorth@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Unless there's something beyond switching DNS, using a VPN and your own router/modem. It's maybe 100$ up front and ~3-5 per month to be able to circumvent any telecom.

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Switching DNS does jack squat for your privacy. Any telecom worth their salt can read all DNS requests no matter which DNS you talk to. They only don't filter content on alternative DNSes because they don't care about filtering/blocking in general unless forced to by law.

Using a VPN doesn't add privacy, it just swapps out who is monitoring your traffic. Many VPN services are actually owned/run by secret services or cooperate with them (like NordVPN). Others are directly run by criminals who use them to steal data or inject malware. Also, VPN providers also have ISPs that reside in countries. In the very best case it's not your ISP spying on you, but the VPN's ISP. In the worst case, you now have an ISP and a VPN provider spying on you.

Your own router/modem again does nothing at all for your privacy.

That's what I mean: people think they are doing privacy enhancing things, but actually what they are doing isn't helping at all.

[–] aggelalex@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

As someone who knows a bit more about privacy in networking than watching the sponsored bits in YouTube videos, I agree with the examples you posed, but there are other technologies to fix your DNS leaking to your ISP. One of them being DNS over HTTPS. It's default in Firefox, and pretty hard to crack just like any other HTTPS query. All your ISP can know is that you're potentially making a DNS query. Another option is a local DNS server cache. Choose some domains you wanna be able to access, and diligently update your local cache using HTTPS from existing DNS servers every fortnight. Your DNS queries will never escape your LAN.

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

DoH is an actual improvement, that's true. But at the same time it's a meaningless one, since the ISP can just do a reverse DNS lookup of the IPs you are contacting, and there isn't really an option to hide the IP, unless you are using TOR or a VPN, but TOR sucks in real-world usage (and can also not really be trusted) and VPNs have been discussed before.

I worked on the "evil" side for ~7 years, in a company that made internet monitoring devices. Originally I was told it's only for debugging ISP network problems, but after a few years, when I was trusted enough in the company, they told me that a significant portion of our customers are actually secret services all around the world.

The foreign ones usually wouldn't just say that they are secret service, but they'd buy through other companies, which lead to some weird requests. For example, one time a small little British bakery asked for network monitoring equipment for their business. But they wanted the solution to be able to handle ~100 TBit/s, which was at that time roughly the total bandwidth of the whole UK plus some margin.

Some secret services, though, talked to us completely openly.

I've been at one ISP quite a few times at the department that handled secret service requests. I asked that guy what they do with our products, and he showed me the full suite that they are using. He entered a random phone number into the system, and an overview over the last year's activities of that guy showed up. It had a list with timestamps of every site he accessed. It had all emails (of his ISP account and also emails that were sent unencryped) and SMS that that guy sent and received. It had a full movement profile of that guy for the whole last year, including his visits to other countries. The system allowed the operator to easily find contacts of that guy, even through the movement profile. So you could e.g. list all users that were close to that user at a given time, or all users that are frequently close to that guy.

Tbh, it was a little shocking and eyeopening.

[–] aggelalex@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well yeah, you cannot completely cut deduction off the table. Not even in the real world. The fact though that the internet makes it easier is of course true. Even Tor is vulnerable to deduction-based MITM attacks using nodes that log activity. Nowadays though I think it matters less and less what you access, since everything in the internet has been reduced to a handful of huge websites (fucking SEO). If you're in one of them, I doubt DNS info are going to be much of any use, apart from them having accessed Facebook, or YouTube. When I'm doing stuff I want hidden though, tor and DoH are a must.

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Well, centralized services make it easier, not harder. Now secret services can just call up their contact at Facebook or any of the other services and they can not only monitor metadata but get content as well.

[–] AnAngryAlpaca@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You mean the VPN advertising everywhere, who gives out the user data whenever a goverment agency knocks on the door? Or the other big name VPN, where the company owner has another business that makes money by selling users internet data?

Yeah, i'm sure they will bend over backwards and file lawsuits to "protect your privacy" for $5/month...

[–] lenathaw@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I can turn my phone off or leave it at home...

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

But do you do that?

[–] nils@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Yeah and where are you more likely to talk about sensitive information, at home or outside next to a busy street?

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe next they can introduce these in Sweden, to deal with the eurodanceraggare and loud-tailpipe dickheads that plague the roads.

[–] AnAngryAlpaca@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

This seems to be a problem everywhere in the world where young drivers can afford shitty cars.

[–] noobdoomguy8658@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

A couple hundred meters away from me, there's a piece of a two-lane two-lane road that has no traffic lights for a little over 1 km and has the priority of way, too - meaning that at night, you can get a somewhat high speed over there for a little while without leaving the city limits.

There's only a few bikers in my city, but holy shit do they make "good" use of the opportunity in summer. I really wish we also had this kind of cameras out there, because the noise from just one is insane, especially at dead of night, and sometimes they do this in packs.

The best part is that it never lasts once - they just speed between the two traffic lights for a while, making a shit ton of that noise.

There are also buildings with windows overlooking that same road from a much closer distance than mine. Can't really imagine what it's like for people living there, even though we're basically meters away from each other.

[–] tocano@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is unfortunate that some countries are using cameras, microphones and others to control the behaviour of people. I agree that it is a required measure - as some people do not change their behaviours out of good will - but it is definitely not ideal.

Hopefully, in some years it will no longer be necessary, as people will have those good behaviours deeply rooted.

[–] Duxon@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

You forgot that there will always be young men succumbing to testosterone.

[–] giantofthenorth@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anyone celebrating this is a fool.

This will lead to more spying on you, gives police even more power, and offers you only less noise for how many cars?

Trees, greenery and better housing design might solve the issue or make it not bad.

Self reporting, followed by an inspection to verify the car's sound could solve this issue.

But more surveillance for another ones of the world surveillance states is so fucking stupid.

[–] Duxon@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For me, it's worth it. I live next to a forest already, far outside the city center, and there's still assholes racing at night at the nearby street because it's quite secluded and straight.

Also, I'm not worried about microphones on busy streets. It's a public space already, which affects the content of my speech already. Microphones at home should be much more important for anyone worried about privacy.

[–] nils@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Great to see! I really hope more cities will follow suit to deal with this problem as well.