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Just as the title asks I've noticed a very sharp increase in people just straight up not comprehending what they're reading.

They'll read it and despite all the information being there, if it's even slightly out of line from the most straightforward sentence structure, they act like it's complete gibberish or indecipherable.

Has anyone else noticed this? Because honestly it's making me lose my fucking mind.

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[–] Pudutr0n@feddit.cl 2 points 1 year ago

Not only reading comprehension but also media literacy and scientific literacy. Too many people misunderstand simple messages in media. Homelander from The Boys come in mind.

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm afraid there's nothing new about this, it has been going on for a long time. What I do believe is happening is now that every idiot with a cell phone can jump of sites like lemmy or reddit, we are simply seeing a lot more examples of the problem. Pretty much like when camcorders became affordable to the general public, we suddenly saw all kinds of police brutality videos and some people thought this must be a recent trend when in fact it had been occurring all along.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

One of my last comments on Reddit was about this.

The biggest difference I've noticed is that people have stopped reading sentences. They'll read all the words and then upvote based on the feeling those individual words give them. They won't consider the meaning of all those words put together.

And yeah, "upvote does not mean agree" is something Reddit has always struggled with, but it has definitely had exponential growth lately.

It has made me start writing more clearly. There are comments I've written that have been wildly misinterpreted from my actual meaning. Part of that is that I tend towards sarcasm, and it doesn't translate well over the internet no matter how absurd I get with it. But I've also started aiming to use more simple sentence structure.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

to use more simple sentence structure.

to use simpler sentence structure.

[–] solidgrue@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] bigkahuna1986@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Why use many word, when few word do trick?

[–] xfint@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Remember when the internet used to be wall of texts. People used to write like writers do. Sentences and paragraphs that comprise a distinct idea. A collection of paragraphs that elucidate the point of view in their head.. These days the style of writing online is some kind of line-by-line disjointed train of thoughts. Something resembling a collection of 140 character social media posts. I find it more difficult to grok. Impossible at times. It's like people aren't writing for readers. They're brain dumping one liners off the top of their head.

[–] StThicket@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The reason for this could be that people who are smart enough to write something comprehensible is most likely not going to do so because of the risk of getting comments from brain dumping people. Social media has given everyone a megaphone - even the dumbest individuals. They keep pouring their stupidity onto the internet for everyone to see.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It also doesn't help that you have meme texts that people will drop and derail the entire point.

"Long detailed documentation meant to generate intellectual conversation"

"Generate deez nuts πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ€£πŸ€£πŸ€£πŸ˜­πŸ˜­"

[–] DirigibleProtein@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, I’ve been having trouble concentrating on reading, and understanding written text, ever since I started chemotherapy. They tell me the brain fog could last between four and ten years.

I’m also reading that some long COVID sufferers are having similar effects. I’ve managed to avoid COVID so far, hoping that I won’t get anything that makes the brain fog worse.

[–] ronflex@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Absolutely. At work I realized that if I have paragraphs in emails most people will just read the first sentence and ignore the rest. I have resorted to breaking paragraphs in to very easy to follow bulleted lists and that seems to help a little bit.

I think the most common reason for this is that it forces people to go out of their routine/comfort zone to understand something, which many people aren't willing to do, either consciously or subconsciously.

[–] lustrum@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep. I've noticed this in maybe the last 3-4 years. I've actually wondered if i've started getting dyslexia.

I think realistically it's more to do with the way I use the internet. I scan articles rather than read them unless it's something i'm really interested in. Google search results, half of them tend to be bullshit so i've gotten good at scanning them at insane speed.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I literally began typing this response before finishing your post.

...

It's like with increased information we've learned to scan for relevance a lot better, but at the expense of overall comprehension.

Like it gets us by, and gets us through the excess in time.

But, when emotions fly? It's getting volatile.

[–] Lorindol@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. For years now. And I am horrified.

I am a teacher and I've had students who could not find the article about lions from the animal encyclopedia I handed to them. And when I helped them to find it, one started crying, one tried to read it (stopped after a minute or so) and one asked "Isn't there some lion video we could watch instead?". It was two pages with a lot of pictures. But it was too much for these 5th graders.

Reading proper books has become almost impossible to kids because their attention span is almost non-existent with written material.

We've tried to add more emphasis on basic reading skills in the early grades for some time now, but it seems to have very little effect.

[–] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Is this actually due to attention span, or are these children basically illiterate?

https://www.apmreports.org/episode/2019/08/22/whats-wrong-how-schools-teach-reading

For decades, schools have taught children the strategies of struggling readers, using a theory about reading that cognitive scientists have repeatedly debunked. And many teachers and parents don't know there's anything wrong with it.

[–] JackiesFridge@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

One of my tasks at work is creating content - blogs, social media posts, internal communication emails, etc. We are instructed to write everything at a 5th-grade level because that's where the average American reads. Not the lowest-level American, the average.

I also get to do customer support for people who would not have to contact me if they had actually read the information I wrote for them.

[–] const_void@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I think COVID did a lot of brain damage. People are acting crazier and more reckless in the last few years and I can't think of any other reason for it.

[–] bouh@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're on Internet. Many people are not native English speaker.

Secondly, people are saying this kind of shit litteraly since anciant Greece. You're late to the party. They complained about it in each and every place of the western world at every time we have written records to read that shit. It's seriously amazing how this trope is one of the most consistent of the history of mankind. And it doesn't depend on the language obviously.

[–] xX_fnord_Xx@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Iirc, even the Greeks bemoaned the written word because it harmed physical memory and made out brains weak because we could just consult tablets lazily instead of memorizing everything.

https://blogs.ubc.ca/etec540sept13/2013/09/29/socrates-writing-vs-memory/

[–] Send_me_nude_girls@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've only noticed a trend of people not being able to answer more than one question at a time, even when chatting and they have all week to answer. The first question is somehow always skipped.

This is making me mad, as I feel forced to pause my thoughts. Pause the ideas in my head. Wait for the reply, reply myself, wait for the conversation to turn a bit and finally be able to ask the second question. Now if I have three questions, I might as well give up and talk to a chatbot.

People have the attention span of a peanut by now.

[–] Katrisia@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am inclined to think that easy entertainment and a devaluation of the intellectual life (it is no longer admirable nor sufficiently valuable being an intellectual) can be a partial explanation. The first one leads to distractions and our time being occupied by mindless activities. The second keeps us there as people are indifferent to studying and asking questions. It has become a personal choice, a kind of hobby or trait of certain individuals, and not something that we all should be doing. And I'm not saying that everyone should be a Leonardo da Vinci excelling in philosophy, sciences, arts, etc.; but I do believe we should be thinking critically and informing ourselves to the extent possible, otherwise, our reading comprehension and many other things get affected.

I'm sorry if my grammar betrays my words, I am not a native speaker.

That said, I think these are some of our obstacles, but other times had had their own obstacles. I'm sure the average citizen from, I don't know, Istanbul, London, Tokyo, some centuries ago was also very opinionated and ignorant of many things. It has been the constant, the rule, for millennia.

[–] bad_alloc@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m sorry if my grammar betrays my words, I am not a native speaker.

Bro, you just outphrased the native speakers.

[–] Pantoffel@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

I do think you do be right with that.

[–] turkalino@lemmy.yachts 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Rampant untreated adult-onset ADHD

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

I think many people can show similar symptoms as in ADHD because of our current lifestyle.

More and more people have short attention spans, trouble concentrating, trouble directing their focus, procrastination, etc. because our brains aren't made for how we currently live.

[–] Dfy@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Am I the only one that's scared this isn't from social media / attention span but actually maybe that a long term side effect of COVID could partly explain this? I know this sounds like a conspiracy theory and I've never heard anyone phrase it like I'm doing right now but it seems like this virus changes how we think. I've heard people say for the first time in their life they couldn't control their thoughts, my father couldn't stop having nightmares for multiple nights...

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This effect has been observable even before the Corona pandemic hit us. While it can be a factor in individuals, the overall shift in society over the last ~30 years probably stems from us using our brains less for tasks that require continuous effort.

Basically, we only train the sprint and can't do the marathon anymore.

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Also, people jumping to extreme or nonsensical conclusions. Something like: "I personally don't like a cactus as a balcony plant." - "Aha so you think all plants should die?! I think you should die instead!"

Sometimes they will just make up stuff you supposedly believe and go ballistic on that. For some there really is no nuance and it's really tiering how this compromises more complex discussions.

[–] Marcbmann@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I help companies sell products on Amazon.

One sold protein powder. Product title says "25g of protein". First bullet point says "25g of protein per serving". Main image of the product clearly shows "25g protein" on the label. Second image makes it more clear with "25 Grams of Protein Per Serving" in big bold letters. The A+ content (images in product description) repeat this information in big bold letters as well. Both the image gallery and the A+ content showed a picture of the supplement facts panel. The top rated review for the product called out that they liked the 25g of protein per serving.

Customer messages me, "How much protein per serving? Doesn't say anywhere on the listing."

Rage. Instant, immediate, and intense rage.

[–] aksdb@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

In this particular case it could also be sarcasm because they found it funny (or were annoyed by) that it was mentioned so often. A troll, basically.

[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

May I suggest that you don't get a job in IT?

[–] zombie_kong@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel this.

What is the actual point of publishing knowledge bases and documentation if nobody reads them?

[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well some people read it. Just noz everyone.

[–] blackluster117@possumpat.io 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Show me these people you speak of.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Well I... ok, I've read like 5 pages of doxumentation in my entire life, but at least it's not nothing.

[–] s20@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I recently got into a long, really dumb argument. I used the phrase "lesser of two evils" and what seemed like fifty people (actually two or three) seemed to think that meant I approved of, strenuously endorsed, and would defend the actions of the "lesser evil."

To me, this seemed like a basic misunderstanding of what the phrase meant, so I defined it. Their response to my definition was to say the same sort of thing they'd already said while claiming to totally know what "lesser of two evils" meant.

I lost my cool, and explained what the phrase meant again. One of the folks explained themselves calmly while the others seemed to think I was a congenital idiot because I kept repeating myself.

I don't want this to get any longer, so I'll just say that we were talking past each other. Nobody (well, except fr the one guy who stopped to explain what he meant) was really comprehending what the other person said. So everyone was a dumbass, basically. Story of my life, really.

At least, I think that's what happened. Watch the asshole who called me a liar and an idiot show up here to not explain how I'm a liar and an idiot again.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't think it's a reading comprehension problem, it's some sort of cultural problem. These people are reading what we are typing, but that's not what they want to talk about. So they will take anything, even tangentially related and disprove a component of it so they can reframe the conversation back to what they wanted to argue about.

I actually find myself doing similar things. Essentially I will write out a long winded comment, then realize that the person I am replying to has nothing to do with what I wanted to say. Instead I was paraphrasing all of the comments, coming up with a point I wanted to make and then ramming it round peg square hole style into someone else's comment tree. I have been deleting a lot of comments before even hitting the post button in the last 6 months or so since I realized I was doing it.

TLDR: A lot of people online are not arguing in good faith.

[–] bad_alloc@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Don't forget that we recently had a pandemic with a virus that is known to cause permanent brain damage. This includes reduced motor function, mental capacity and personality changes.

[–] Polar@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's okay. That just means the people who understand science and respect others by wearing masks will be on top in the future. Actually a pretty calming thought.

[–] bad_alloc@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

I thought so too, then I noticed people driving more aggressively.