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Biden pardons thousands of US veterans convicted under law banning gay sex
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Lol you sound like a Republican yelling about virtue signaling. Who would be against genocide or the guy enabling it? That's impossible! Must be bots or paid actors.
Biden could do good things but still not have it outweigh causing a genocide in some people's eyes. I may not even agree with them, but I can see from their point of view, and totally empathize with that.
But yes, this is a good thing. I'd rather we celebrate this good thing without getting side tracked by the bad things Biden has done or arguments about how bad they are.
If that’s your take, it’s not my place to change it. But this isn’t about virtue signaling at all.
And I’m sure you know that.
A genocide is actually happening however you choose to spell it or sarcastically pronounce it. It's a serious thing. Children are dying. Millions are becoming refugees. A mass famine is spreading. It's a perfectly reasonable line to draw to not vote for someone enabling it, especially if it can possibly pressure that person to take a better actions to save their job. It doesn't require bad faith arguments or fake troll bots. It requires actual humans with real morals and ethics appalled by what they are seeing and who actually believe "never again" means "never again", especially when it's something done by their government that their voice can possibly change.
He still has time to improve his stance, if it's not for moral reasons or to save lives, I hope it eventually becomes to save his job and keep Trump out of office, though I'm not sure the movement will ever become big enough to affect his electoral chances with how much influence AIPAC has in our politics, and how much liberal Americans hate Trump more than genocide, so you can probably rest easy on that front.
And that’s going to continue to happen regard of who’s elected. In fact, under Trump- IT WILL BE FAR WORSE. On top of that:
• Our LGBTQ+ loved ones will absolutely suffer. This is not up for debate. It’s beginning now and will increase day by day until Project 2025 is enacted, so… go ahead and tell them all right know that you don’t give a fuck about them.
Better yet- go ahead and read Project 2025 in its ENTIRETY before you think to respond. And if you can read that shit and not be inspired to do whatever you can to stop it from happening-
Well… Gaza isn’t going to be a problem for You much longer.
This isn’t a fucking joke. Nor is it a time to stand on principle over things happening in other countries that have been happening for DECADES- that will continue to happen with or without aid.
Vote like lives depend on it- RIGHT HERE AT HOME. Because many do. And if you think you’re helping anyone in Gaza by withholding your vote- you’re not.
And you know this.
Edited: I wrote a longer rest response but I feel like my long responses will distract from the main topic of the thread. So I'll put some in spoiler text, remove the rest, and that's all I'll say on that. This an emotional topic and can go on forever I'm sure.
It won't happen if the liberals pressure him enough. That's the thing. He's already made some concessions in rhetoric scared of the changing narrative. We can have both Biden and a stop to a genocide with enough public pressure. The election isn't until November. I don't believe a genocide is the only choice as long as we live in a democracy, can build a movement, and he's a rational candidate (which I think he is).
Btw it's not just principles.
People are fucking dying right now dude. It's going to affect the Middle East, millions of refugees will head to surrounding countries, and then it will affect Europe. They will probably turn more fascist as a result, just like from their current immigration crises from Syria and Africa. Plus, now Israel is trying to start wars with Lebanon and Iran, and drag us into WIII. Plus it's causing shipping problems in Yemen. Not to mention the Israeli Super PAC that funds conservative politicians that we allow to run rampant in our country for some reason. It goes on and on. This stuff does affect us whether you like it or not.In addition, this is a huge escalation over previous decades. It's another nakba. Almost the whole population is pressed South against Egypt right now. Northern Gaza won't be habitable for decades. It can't get much worse. It's too close for them to nuke, and they've taken out most of the hospitals and seem to have triggered a catastrophic famine. They're killing so fast, they're already looking to start another war before they finish this ethnic cleansing campaign so Netanyahu can stay in office.
And still vote, I'm not saying don't do that. I will. I'm just saying I get why other people complain about him. I'm sure they'll still vote down ballot, and would even vote for him if he changed tact on Israel.
I get that Project 2025 is scary, but so is Project 2029, and 3033. We shouldn't have to accept that we'll be an evil empire forever, always choosing between two flavors of genocidal maniac, forever cursed to enact horrible terrors on the international stage, awaiting the inevitable drop into fascism. We can use this moment to get the President to stop bowing to a foreign state that's been troublesome to us for decades. Even Reagan had to smack Israel down.. He's been slowly improving, and I get why other people would use this moment where a possibly sway-able Democratic President is in the office and has a looming election as leverage.
As long as you’re voting, this isn’t directed toward you. I get that people are upset. It’s upsetting what’s being done. But people need to know how upsetting it’s going to be if they don’t stop fucking around.
This is serious. We’re in danger of losing our entire democracy.
I never said everyone was. And there is no need for insults. But just because all aren’t, doesn’t mean some aren’t. And the fact you’re here trying to argue against this shows you’re not here in good faith.
You actually did when you claimed 6 unknown persons were bots without evidence or even their names. Ie. "I don't know them but they're bots because they have the opposite opinion I do"
I never said bots don't exist, I said you can't in an evidence* vacuum just say someone is a bot and try to end the argument with that.
Saying you're acting stupid and calling you stupid are two separate things. I don't think you're stupid, I think you act stupidly but I do enjoy the multiple reports to the mod team so they remove my posts, fun way to "win" an argument.
When you need to misquote people in order to have an argument….
You don’t have an argument.
And the reports are only for the purpose of ensuring we’re playing by the same rules. I don’t get to call you what I think you are- and you shouldn’t either.
Additionally, lying about why your comments removed doesn’t really work when the mod logs show exactly what you said.
We can be done here. You’re about as bad faith as it gets when you can’t argue without putting words into the mouths of others.
Seriously dude? You made a new account?
Did you seriously think that was going to work?