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I've kept chickens. They do not understand the family concept. Roosters will happily rape their siblings or their mothers, and hens will enforce a gruelling pecking order even if it means someone dies of hunger/beatings ๐ข
And that makes it okay for humans to abuse them in even more brutal ways?
Or what are you saying?
That one whooshed right over your head eh? He's saying that chickens families are not, in fact, the same as human families. They don't form a family unit with bonds above those of other chickens. It's mostly because they're chickens....and not humans and it was a dumb comparison for PETA to try and make.
Pointing out how chickens relate to other chickens does not mean it's an endorsement for cruelty...you stretched big time for that one.
I really really want you to explain to me how in your head what I wrote made you think I didn't get this absolutely obvious thing that OP stated lol.
So, do you think that there are ethical and non abusive animal husbandry methods for raising livestick?
Do you think there are ethical ways to slaughter livestock?
You seem to be making this a false binary.
I make this practically correct binary because in practice more than 90% of all livestock is kept in inhumane conditions.
The theoretical possibility of an ethical way to raise and slaughter livestock is irrelevant to my argument and in essence a straw man because I don't argue against a hypothetically well raised and humanely slaughtered livestock but against the fact that in reality livestock is mistreated, tortured and killed in horrible conditions in most of all cases.
If I go to the supermarket and buy meat I am all but guaranteed that the animal has suffered.
If you raise your own livestock out on open field and treat it right I don't have a problem with you. But you don't, do you?
And even if you just are a carnivore I don't have any problem with you, you can live your life how you see fit. I don't really care.
But if you go to the internet to shit on people that care about animals to feel better about the fact that you don't, I think you are a dick.
Not saying that applies to you specifically, but I have seen examples in this thread.
I might be a dick. But you sir/madam/xir or whatever, are an asshole.
Possible.
The majority of people I know in person would disagree I hope.
I agree that I am pretty combative here, but I am also tired of the ever same old and disproven arguments. I am not even vegan myself, but ridiculing people for trying to save animals is just low imho so I kinda don't care if I am an asshole to people that do it.