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What is something that definitely should not exist? (endlesstalk.org)

submitted 9 months ago by ani@endlesstalk.org to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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[–] bestusername@aussie.zone 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Tax exemption for religious organisations.

[–] federalreverse@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Could be worse, I guess. I live in a "secular" democracy that essentially collects members fees for the Catholic and Lutheran churches (and only those two!) via the federal income tax.

[–] captainjaneway@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

In Germany, state-recognized churches collect taxes from their members in order to finance their activities as well as wages. Everyone who is a member of an officially recognized religious group automatically gets a percentage of their monthly wage taken from their paycheck. Usually, this amounts to around 9% of income tax — with the exception of Bavaria and Baden-Württemberg, where the church tax amounts to 8%.

For native Germans, church tax is often automatically collected. Many Germans are baptized at a young age and thereby become members of a particular church, which means they pay taxes to that church when they begin to earn income as an adult.

If you’re a foreigner moving to Germany, you can declare your affiliation to a church when you register at your local citizen’s office.

9%? That's absurd. Is there a way to remove yourself from this?

[–] federalreverse@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago

Is there a way to remove yourself from this?

Sure: There is a third box "no confession" next to "Catholic" and "Protestant" on the form. You can check that and those 9% remain with the state instead.

German secularism has a few more peculiarities. Many charitable organizations e.g. running hospitals or institutions caring for the homeless, elderly, and disabled are in fact religious (Diakonie, Johanniter, Caritas, Stadtmission, ...). This has some unfortunate effects: They often hire people of Christian faith only, meaning atheists or adherents of other religions are mostly excluded at these organizations. There have also been cases of a doctor at a Christian-run hospital denying the abortion because of their faith -- despite abortion being legal here. However, much of the money these organizations receive is in fact public money, supposedly spent on serving the public. Another wrinkle is that Religious Law is used when it comes to e.g. prosecuting rape cases involving priests etc. Somehow, this separate system of law that doesn't really seem to work particularly well is accepted by the German state.

[–] wgbirne@feddit.de 0 points 9 months ago

Just want to clarify: It is 9% of the income tax, not 9% of the income. Still too high, but not as absurd as some people may think after reading this incorrectly. I know some people who thought that it is 9% of the income although they were paying church tax for years...