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People who "are something", in general are annoying as fuck. As soon as you make something your identity you've probably fucked up.
That said I've tried to reduce meat consumption as much as possible, for the environment and the animals.
If your goal is preserving the life of cows, everyone becoming vegan will not help; most farm animals can't survive without human intervention.
Most farm animals have been selectively bred for traits that fit human needs, at the expense of the animal's own quality of life. For example, chickens being bred to produce so many eggs that they become calcium deficient and their bones break under the weight of their own bodies. Sanctuaries provide safe spaces for these animals to live out the rest of their lives in the most comfort possible, while going vegan is important for a future where we're no longer breeding these poor beings into an inherently hellish existence.
Yes, much better to have wild animals gutting each other and devouring live prey than to have any farm animals at all. Greatest plan.
Wild animal suffering is a hot debate in the vegan communities these days. There is no cut and dry answer for that. However, whatever we do or don't do to alleviate or eliminate wild animal suffering says nothing about whether we also create and maintain our own system of animal suffering. We can end the human exploitation of animals, and doing so can teach us a lot about ending our exploitation of each other as well.
I'm not really concerned with whether animals are being exploited by humans anymore than I am the same of plants or fungi. I do think animals shouldn't suffer because I consider pain to be of negative utility even when experienced by non-persons. With that said, I don't think the goal of reducing or eliminating animal suffering is better-served by the total elimination of livestock than by ensuring humane farming practice. On the off-chance it wasn't obvious, I don't think the utility calculation is clear-cut because of the aforementioned problem of wild animals suffering.
Would you rather live a normal life and at some point be mauled to death, or live your entire life in a prison and at some point be killed more painlessly?
Yes, animals suffer and die in the wild. They also suffer and die in captivity, just in different measures, but I would argue they suffer more as farm animals.
If by "normal life" you mean a life riddled with far more anxiety and danger than I currently have, then I guess it would depend on the prison, but I'm leaning towards prison. This is particularly true if I were to lack boredom and the overbearing curiosity that humans have. Turns out, most animals (especially herbivores) don't get bored and don't experience curiosity in the same way humans do. It's almost like we're different species with different brains.
Also, most animals aren't people, and my answer doesn't actually change the utility values.
No, not at all, it’s the safest life available to them, in terms of likelihood for disease and life expectancy.
If you really want prison, it’s available to you and you do get food and medical care free.
Herbivores still get bored and try to escape, so they probably don’t love it.
I would love a source that they don’t though. It’s my understanding that that’s why zoos are hard to run.