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Why are Europeans more effective at passing big legislation than the US? (lemmy.world)
submitted 1 year ago by nodimetotie@lemmy.world to c/europe@feddit.de
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EU has done really well on passing big laws such as GDPR in the recent years, while the US can't even seem to decide whether to fund their own government. Why do you think Europe is doing better than the US? One would think that since EU is more diverse it would be harder to find common ground. And there were examples of that during the Greece debt crisis. But not anymore, it seems.

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[–] bikesarethefuture@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

USA government is just a puppet of lobbying groups IE: private companies. Thankfully Europe doesn't reach that level yet

[–] bleistift2@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

“yet”.

I feel like we’re just one or two decades behind on … everything bad in the US.

[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

EU is to ununified to be governed by lobbyists, also our courts work...

[–] suomisepp@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

I think it is exactly the other way around. Companies are well-organized on the global level and can influence Brussels and national EU governments. See the latest Qatar scandal or the often cited cucumber regulations. However, in Europe, the social market orientation results in majorities favoring more government control. In contrast, the US often rejects such policies as "communism".

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe it's just me, but it seems that Lobbying isn't that big in Europe and several states have laws actively against the practice. Sure, corrupt politicians still exists, but they are more easily exposed under anti-corruption laws. Unlike in the USA where it's practically legalized bribery.

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why are there 25k lobbyists in Brussels then?

https://corporateeurope.org/en/lobbyplanet

[–] Sodis@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The word you are looking for is corruption. It always gets mixed up with lobbying. Lobbying is not inherently bad. It is good practice to ask the people a law applies to, if the law is feasible. It helps to avoid passing laws, that are completely impracticable and destroy a whole sector of economy in the worst case.

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'd agree if there was a level playing field, but there isn't, those with the most money get the most influence. It is a form of corruption.

It's known as caviar diplomacy

Between 2012 and 2014, the Azerbaijan regime allegedly channeled billions of dollars through offshore companies to launder money and pay for bribes. That strategy was since dubbed “caviar diplomacy” after a report in which a senior Azerbaijani policymaker said: “There are a lot of deputies in the Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly whose first greeting, after ‘Hello,’ is ‘Where is the caviar?’

https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/politico-eu-influence/azerbaijan-crisis-raises-fresh-scrutiny-over-eu-lobbying-battle-2/

[–] Sodis@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

No, that's just corruption, not lobbyism.