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Calvin (from Calvin & Hobbes) sitting at a lemonade stand, smiling, with a sign that reads, "Trains and micromobility are inevitably the future of urban transportation, whether society wants it or not. CHANGE MY MIND."

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[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

American here, I have a disabled family member. Cars are ultimately harder on them because they physically cannot lift themselves into a car while also stowing their 200lbs wheelchair.

A bus or train doesn't have that problem and are therefore better.

And the more walk able the area the better because it makes it far easier. I'm sure there are disabled and elderly people who have an easier time using cars. But to say in a broad sweeping generalization that it's better for all disabled and elderly people is a mistake. Cars should not be the first go to for a solution.

And kids can't even use cars. They are dependent on public transportation and the walkability in their area.

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

? I never said cars are better?

It's just a problem that needs to be fixed and is rarely mentioned (if at all). Especially the unreliable elevators + escalators.

Additionally, many trams and busses here have narrow stairs to enter or a huge gap to the floor. Some bus drivers refuse to help people in wheelchairs, they will just claim the bus is too full so they don't need to build the ramp. For the trams, there's no way to get in with a wheelchair.

Ironically, these were meant to have enough space for at least one wheelchair. But the entrance is not friendly, for various reasons.

I have a mild disability and often can't use the public transport because I struggle with stairs. Than I have to wait for a tram with a new model or walk around the city to a stop with no stairs.

They still build crossings like these and call it "modernized" ...

For kids the biggest problem is that in a lot of vehicles the stop isn't announced. And when the bus is (too) full they can't see the monitors or out of the windows. (That's a problem for all very short people I guess.)

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It seems so odd to me that the transit doesn't have accessibility for those in scooters or wheelchairs. In nearly every city in Canada I've been to, their underfunded bus systems all have a wheelchair access door and systems to lower the bus for easier access.

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A lot of the busses have it here, but not all. It also depends if you are lucky enough the bus driver is actually helping.

For the trams it's worse. To safe money they want to wait until the old trams get decommissioned, even when they are hard or impossible to use for disabled people. They also still build crossings made out of stairs, with no other way to reach the other side of the track unless you want to take a huge detour. Just because it's cheap.

Germany loves their cars more than people realise...

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe you could try to get people in your communities to take pictures of these difficulties and write to their politicians how it is inadequate service. Perhaps there could be retrofitting done to the existing services and new regulations made for new devlopments. It seems wrong for transit not to service people with mobility issues, they can often be the ones who can most benefit from it.

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This was and is done regularly. But the government sold the public transportation sector to private companies and nothing is done.

[–] DarthBueller@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The skybridge would be required to be made accessible in the USA, regardless of whether its public or private. There are very limited exceptions to ADA requirements - the second the private company spent money "modernizing" a station without installing accessibility aids, they'd have opened themselves up to a lawsuit to compel them to make the station accessible.

I would imagine that Germany is no different that a lot of Western European countries in thinking it is better than the US (because it IS in a lot of ways). Would "we treat the disabled worse than Americans do" effectively trigger German national ego toward change? So long as you keep the convo focused on accessibility and not universal healthcare ;)

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

I don't know why it would matter how it is any other country? I've only really heard that in a private conversation, like "I was in XY for vacation and they had better whatever". But never as a political argument lol

Perhaps if it's a comparison to a direct neighbour like Austria or Switzerland since they are similar and a lot of Germans move there.

[–] DarthBueller@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You are destroying my fantasy that everything in Western Europe is better. But this would be extremely unlikely to have happened in the US in this day and age - the Americans With Disabilities Act ("ADA") would have required the station (be it public or private) to have reasonable accomodations for the disabled. In Florida, for example, PalmTran stations would have an elevator on either side of the tracks to get you onto the skybridge.

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

For these crossings to be lawful they normally use the fact that it's sufficient if there's an alternative. But these alternatives often are ridiculous. It could be that 1 km down the street there is an accessible pedestrian bridge. Or they literally just add an information that it's not an accessible station and that people should use another station and than drive back to this station by other means.

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

I think people have a somewhat narrow view on countries in Western Europe. Every country is very diverse. It makes a huge difference whether you are in Bavaria, Brandenburg or Hamburg, etc. These are all in Germany but parts of the law can be different.

I live in Nordrhein Westfalen where it is okay if there is any alternative for disabled people. For example, you could drive to another station which has an elevator and than use the bus to come back. ( ་ ⍸ ་ )

[–] MyNameIsIgglePiggle@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"Cars are better" @ParsnipWitch

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[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

I have more trouble with cars in my day to day life than with the issues of public transit. I just wanted to add that public transit has to be done better. But if you dare to criticise it people lose their minds here. And pretend you are against public transit and a car fetishist. -.-