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[โ€“] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Personal anecdote. I have recently been in China, specifically Shenzhen and a couple of other southern megacities.

Let me tell you all something: China is getting ahead of us. Shenzhen used to be known for its smokestacks. It is now at least as pleasant as any European city. Not only does it have an excellent metro, loads of green space and trees, wide sidewalks and cycle lanes. It also has silent streets with shockingly clean air. And for a simple reason: all the buses, all the scooters and motorbikes, and at least 40% of the private cars (not very numerous because of the great transit) are electric.

Europeans might be surprised to discover what a difference this electrification makes to a city. From personal experience of both, I can tell you that (IMO) Chinese cities are putting Swiss ones in the shade. This should be a pretty shameful situation for the supposed quality-of-life superpower that Europe imagines itself to be.

Instead of punishing China for getting ahead in a technological battle that will benefit us all, Europe should be copying it.

[โ€“] 0x815@feddit.de 0 points 4 months ago

Shenzhen and Hong Kong and many other Chinese cities are really great, I have been there too. The point is that what we see and what you describe is the surface. China is a deeply autocratic regime. It's a shame what the CCP is doing to the Chinese people and their culture.

[โ€“] Tja@programming.dev 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Europe is copying it, or at least it's doing the same thing. The problem is not what China is doing but how.

[โ€“] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Sure. So let us do it better in Europe then. This just sounds like defensive excuses. Europe's car makers could have decided - or been forced - to switch to electric. Europe could have banned the abomination that is the combustion scooter, or taxed to oblivion the SUV. We collectively decided that Volkswagen's short-term profits are more important than our environment or our economic future. That's on us, it's not China's fault.

[โ€“] Tja@programming.dev 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Europe has forced car makers to switch to electric, for 2035. It's just not viable to do it overnight.

[โ€“] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes yes I do know that. Somehow China found it was "viable", though. That is the issue.

[โ€“] RidderSport@feddit.de 0 points 4 months ago

It wouldn't have been viable in China either, but they simply didn't have any meaningful ICE-car production to note