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I guess Russians aren't as incompetent as the average redditor thought they were.
Most people thought the '2nd largest superpower in the world' would have an invasion of the poorest country in Europe wrapped up in a few weeks. After Ukraine defended themselves and took back huge swaths of their territory, people readjusted to Russia's (lack of) power.
Now the primary driver is making sure Ukraine stays armed so every invading Russian is forced to go the fuck back home.
Yeah, but people also thought Ukraine could take back Crimea and see how that's going.
Their rhetoric was the same, too. Ukraine just needs these weapons and they'll be able to accomplish this goal.
I'm waiting for everyone who was gungho about that to come out and admit they were wrong.
It's been awhile, but I see no shortage of posters like you telling me Ukraine just needs more weapons and they're be able to accomplish a different goal.
Wars invariably take longer than expected. There’s a reason “home by Christmas” is a meme. That doesn’t change the fact that Ukraine has liberated huge swathes of their territory since the beginning of the invasion. I’m all for more weapons for them; giving up aid just sends all the despots of the world the message that all they need to do in order to take whatever they want is out wait the fickle west.
Gee, how come I never see this in response to "3 days"?
Oh right, propaganda.
Because people like to mock the obvious Russian hubris? They’re getting worked by a country with hand me down weapons from 40 years ago, of course people laugh at “Kyiv in 3 days”.
So... russians are woefully incompetent and should be made fun of for that.
When Ukrainians are losing against russians... "wars take longer than expected."
This war should really teach rational people how powerful modern propaganda is, and how ignorant its perpetrators are of its existence.
You’re trying to make an equivalence between the poorest European nation and the previously believed second most powerful army in the world. That’s not a rational stance. If anyone was told on February 25th 2022 that in two years time Ukraine would hold all territory on the right bank of the Dnipro and still contest territory in Luhansk and Donetsk it would rightfully be considered a miracle. Shit, Russia has moved a huge portion of their Black Sea fleet to Novorossiysk to avoid Ukrainian attacks against an opponent with no Navy. They can’t even use the port they stole. Do you not recognize the power imbalance is a factor? I’m not even sure what your point is other than acting like you’re smarter than the rest of the room.
Why do you guys keep calling Ukraine the poorest nation in Europe? They must be burning enough money to compare with a top 10 military expenditure. It's gone impressively well for them, but the way they are glorified like this is blatant propaganda. It's another front in the fight, but with the dishonesty, it makes it hard to judge the nobility of the cause.
Because they are according to GNI per capita? Never heard of international aid?
It's dishonest to frame this war that way. Ukraine is some kind of proxy for a global alliance against Russia. We are good at lying to ourselves. Not as good as Russia, but the more we do it, the less certain we can be of anything.
Maybe you propaganda lovers need the lies for some internal reason? I don't personally feel that if I'm justifying my decisions with lies, I should resolve the inconsistency in my value system.
Good stuff, go figure out your internal value system.