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i've said for years now that FO4 is a good game (depending on what you consider important, but like clearly a lot of people enjoy it) BUT it's not a fallout game.
bethesda has shown over and over and over again that they can only make the same game wearing different costumes, and they aren't very good at making the costumes.
If they could be convinced to actually make something slightly different i think they could make sort of the ideal VR game, it'd just be a big world filled with details and environmental storytelling and all you do is explore and fight stuff, without bogging it down with attempts at being a proper RPG with a story and stuff.
Agreed. The meme of Fallout 3 just being ‘Oblivion with guns’ wasn’t unfair - they legitimately did a reskin.
I genuinely enjoyed FO4 for some of the survival elements like crafting and outpost building, but it felt very hollow in the world, plot, and setting. I was more invested in the railroad storyline than finding my kid.
When raiders get friggin power armor or the Brotherhood have a functional zeppelin gunship, I’m completely taken out of the “post apocalyptic” theming and scouring for resources feels trite.
that's part of bethesda not being good at writing stories, if they were they'd realize that fallout new vegas wasn't actually a postapocalypse setting, it's post postapocalypse since the NCR is straight up a fully-functional nation-state at that point.
I would quite like to see some people making a total conversion mod for fallout 4 that re-interprets all the story and lore to make more sense, for example:
Instead of just being cartoonishly evil the Institute is actually filled with competent (if snooty) people, and after seeing the success of the NCR they make contact with Vault 81 to start reclaiming Boston. The player is a vault dweller who signs up as part of the force to reclaim the city, clearing out the raiders and whatnot, and either convincing groups to join up or wiping them out if they don't.
No centuries long cryosleep, no nonsensical institute that is apparently both hilariously technologically superior and yet does nothing with that, no fucking shoehorned brotherhood of steel, and actually trying to justify the gameplay. And of course the player won't be made the leader of every single faction they come across, but are an agent of the intitute/vault government and via that they can hold a lot of authority!
Yes! That was a key thing in what made New Vegas interesting. We've had hundreds of stories of post apocalypse, scrounging in the ruins for duct tape. New Vegas was about what happens after that. That's fresher ground.
Bethesda just want kitschy, shallow, shit. They're creatively extremely lacking.
it's such a fucking strange dichotomy because bethesda can be really good at that surface level stuff, they can make a single cave system that's got an internal story that you can follow just through the physical design and the odd note, and then you exit the cave and remember it has precisely jackshit to do with the rest of the world and that every single cave will give you this feeling when you exit it.
Which is why the plot of NV is so good - it’s multi-layered but interconnected, with the nexus being the Strip/Dam. Each faction has pros anmd cons instead of being simply kitten-murderer evil. The Kahns are outright assholes but they are that way because of Bitter Springs, and largely keep to themselves, the Brotherhood are xenophobic but not xenocidal, the NCR is corrupt and siphons everything they touch westward but is the most stable group around, House is a prick but the only reason Vegas is still standing, the Legion can be argued as necessary evil given the anarchy of the untamed wastelands of the east.
Comparatively each faction in the Bethesda titles are either portrayed as binary good:evil. The closest we get to nuance is
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when you’re arguing with the President about the FEV virus being necessary to remove super mutants - along with 99% of the population.