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Harry Potter and the Military Industrial Complex

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[–] Belgdore@lemm.ee 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I mean it took them forever to get indoor plumbing. The Romans had indoor plumbing.

Harry Potter wizards use magic instead of technology, they don’t really seem to be interested in using both together. So I believe that they don’t go out of their way to understand technology or the physics behind it.

Many magical things defy physics in that world. I think wizards in that universe see science as an obstacle and not a valuable method for understanding reality. Because their reality defies understanding by scientific process. It’s all ritual based. The pronunciation of a spell changes its effect.

It’s not a lack of critical thinking that makes them avoid science. It’s the fact that what they do is more immediately effective than science.

[–] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Their reality doesn't defy understanding by the scientific process. It has reliable, repeatable results, and therefore can be studied and empirically catalogued. The only way something could not be studied by science is if it's totally random, if actions do not correlate, even slightly, with results. Of course, such behavior would make it completely useless as a tool, because one could never get desired results from it. Magic in the setting is very reliable and repatable, and as long as you do it right, results can be studied, so it's easily catalogued by the scientific method.

[–] Belgdore@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Science as a methodology began developing in the real world during the renaissance. Prior to that people had methodologies that provided moderately accurate models of reality but often included superstition, unsupported metaphysics, or religious dogmas. These other inclusions are what we call magic: Alchemy, astrology, geomancy, thaumatergy etc.

Assuming Harry Potter’s world developed similarly to ours, the muggles would have taken a scientific view of reality beginning around the 1500s. But magic was real and wizards kept their magical methodology and metaphysics.

They clearly have learned a lot about magic because they no longer call on demons or need the moon to be in a particular phase, but they aren’t using the scientific method to do that.

[–] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

They aren't using it, no, but that doesn't mean the scientific method can't study what they do and come to an understanding of it - probably a better understanding of it than they have, since as you say, they aren't using it. It'd just take a few decades of study probably to have a much stronger understanding of how it works.

My point is just that people draw this weird line between 'science' and 'magic' as though they were incompatible. In a world in which magic is real and useful, science can study it.