Despite peoples view on the two parties in the USA, which has the same foreign policy. The Ukraine war was about the USA isolating Europe from Russia which is not in the interest of the working class. Now the US has achieved its military goals it plans on abandoning Europe and Ukraine and leave them the mess. This was always the plan. Trump or Biden. Forget the culture wars it is the class war we got to be concerned with. Fascist are the useful idiots of empire. All wars are bankers wars.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 8 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

You talk like this was some kind of well crafted plan by the powers that be. As opposed to the ravings of an overgrown toddler.

[–] seeigel -1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Is this the ravings of a toddler or a plan?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard

[–] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 5 hours ago

Ravings of a toddler. Trump isn't as controlled by Putin as it appears. It's more of a plan of "let a bull loose in our competitor's china shop". They don't control the bull. They just need the bull to do what it's obviously going to do.

"All wars are bankers wars." What US capitalists wanted was for the Ukraine war to get dragged out so military contractors could feed equipment into Ukraine indefinitely. They had such a sweet setup this time around. Unlike the War on Terror, it's easy to make a moral case for US/EU involvement, and they don't even have to send in combat troops. The trick is to feed Ukraine enough to keep either side from having a decisive victory. That's basically what happened under Biden. The war could have ended with the 2023 summer counteroffensive if the US and EU had been willing to throw in more equipment. Ukraine almost managed it with what they had.

The "bankers" (and it should be said that the term is often a dog whistle for Jews, even if you didn't personally intend it that way) did not want this. It hurts them quite a lot. They come to support fascists because they're afraid of unions and higher taxes and such. They have no idea how to control fascists once they're in power. After fascists have ruined everything, they act like children and refuse to take any responsibility for their actions.

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