I've never heard Senator Bernie Sanders advocate for seizing the means of production. I've only followed him since he was mayor of Burlington VT, so what do I know. Please explain how he is a "true" socialist and what you think socialism is.

[–] Geetnerd@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Fuck your tankie bullshit.

"I guess Clinton is equally as responsible as Reagan for the calamity we are facing today."

Yeah, goodbye.

[+] Tiger666@lemmy.ca -6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Liberals always say shit like this. You love to call yourselves socialists but don't want to disrupt capitalism. The delusion is real. You might as well give trump a throne because fence sitting doesn't help fight fascism.

Calling your bullshit out is not popular, and I don't care. Socialism is when workers control the means of production, and that is it. Social programs are not socialism.

Bernie has never ever called for seizing the means of production. You liberals can call yourself eagles, but the reality is you are turkeys swallowing fascism into existence.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You can have capitalism and democratic socialism at the same time. That's what we have now: Social Security, Medicaid, Head Start, Public Schools, etc. You can even have it lean more heavily towards socialism. It's not an either or situation.

[–] Tiger666@lemmy.ca -3 points 1 day ago

That is correct because democratic socialism is not socialism it is capitalism with social programs.

Socialism is when workers control the means of production and not capitalists.

The means of production are what we use to make things, including land.

[–] Tiger666@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 day ago

Wow, the level of ignorance when it comes to socialism is too darn high.

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