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[–] seeigel 11 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

That segregation, was that in the entire USA? How was it introduced for the entire USA when the North fought for the freedom of the black population?

[–] DrivebyHaiku@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

It really isn't that simple. The north didn't have as much strict segregation but in a way it was because they didn't have to. Economic pressure reinforced by subversive hiring practices, prejudice in housing and hostile attitudes kept black communities tight knit and localized which meant you didn't have to have specific "Colored schools" because they were created by these forces squeezing folks together into controllable blocks of population.

In the South the fall of segregation had a number of nasty fallouts which harmed black communities as well. When they merged the systems there was a historicly significant loss of black teachers. People got up in arms over really stupid questions like "What if my menstruating daughter had a black male teacher" and that prejudice ensured that a lot of the teachers who understood the challenges of being black in America were no longer in a position to help students.

This meant that effectively in the North segregated schooling continued to be a thing in practice but not in name while in the South it wiped out infrastructure that was helping black students succeed. It was handled incredibly poorly and was not unambiguously good but it did change a lot of the legal categorizations and is considered a win.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

The idea of "equal but separate" that ran from post-US civil war up the US civil rights movement will tell you as to why.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Don't get it twisted. There were plenty of people who were against slavery but still deeply racist. There was a big movement among abolitionists to send all the black folks back to Africa. That's how Liberia was founded.

[–] Hexarei@programming.dev 11 points 19 hours ago

Yep, a lot of folks were racist and just pro-union.

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

That's was not a terrible idea for the time. It backfired horrendously and the n US ignored the hell out of it l. Honestly, it was pretty much the history of Isreal

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I think it was a terrible idea because it was just more colonization. Just like Israel it's not like Liberia was just empty. There were more than enough resources for integration, they were just unevenly distributed, history of capitalism blah blah.

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

They pretty much believed in fucking magic at the time. There was more evidence that the two races were incompatible then there was a lot of other stupid things believed back then. Plus if you are going to fuck someone over it might as well be someone not in your country then someone who is. I guess. Still not good though.

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 13 points 18 hours ago

Because the leaders of the confederate were allowed to live