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[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 35 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Their laws to do what exactly?

I mean, ultimately it's about states rights, but mostly states rights to own other human beings and treat them as cattle.

[+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No, because Lincoln wasn't going to outlaw slavery before the civil war.

As I said in the very first comment:

What started it was the south thought the feds should be able to enforce southern law (escaped slaves are still slaves, and northern states had to return them) and the Feds said they couldn’t force one state to follow another state’s laws.

The South thought an escaped slave in a state where slavery was outlawed was still a slave. And that meant they were property and Northern states should have to capture them and send them back.

That was the line.

Saying it was just slavery is reductionist and doesn't make it seem as bad as it was.

You're giving them too much credit. And I don't know why you want them to seem better than they were.

[–] criitz@reddthat.com 32 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You should read the declarations of succession which clearly state that slavery was the reason.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

https://lemmy.world/comment/11343369

Tldr:

The slave states lied to make themselves sound better.

Edit:

Listening to the slave states for why the civil war started is like asking a trumpet at his rally what 1/6 was.

They aren't going to give you an answer based in reality, so why are we listening to them?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

From the first paragraph of the Mississippi declaration of cause of secession:

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin. That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove.

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/secession-acts-thirteen-confederate-states

But sure, they were lying about it in their official documentation.