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US anger should be directed at Putin, not Ukraine, Macron says after deadly Russian strike on Kyiv
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If the US truly wanted to get russia to negotiate, they would understand that the best option is a massive ballistic strike on Moscow (government/military/R&D facilities, but also key bridges and admin centres). And this would have to be done on a regular basis.
But the Americans (not only Trump) lack balls and are too ignorant to be able to negotiate with the russians.
Why would trump, a russian asset do any of the above? He really only has one real goal and it's not in Ukraine's best interest. Hell, it's not even the US's best interest. trump only serves himself and his interests align with putin.
I am talking about American approaches to russia in general.
From my understanding (I have several friends from the US and I used to live in North America), the public (even pro-Ukraine Americans) largely doesn't understand how to deal with russians.
You have to treat them more like the Islamic state (a strong majority of russians are genocidal imperialists and many of the remainder are merely avid imperialists, albeit without open genocidal intent). You can't buy into their threats. You have understand their psyche and not buy into their fear mongering.
Yeah, except the part where Islamic states regularly commit genocide and respond with crimes against humanity like assad with his chemical weapons. Part of being a genocidal imperialist is a willingness to commit evil acts, like using a nuke. You're convinced for some reason that they won't resort to wmds but you have given absolutely no justification for that view
Being genocidal and, indeed, committing crimes against humanity on a regular basis, does not make one suicidal. Any, and with that I mean any, nuclear state opting to retaliate against Russia using nukes would mean the end of Russia. No, not all of them can glass the whole landmass but there's no Russia without Moscow and St. Petersburg. No empire without its core.
I have. Look at the ~100 earlier examples of red lines and nuclear sabre rattling by the russians.
You have provided zero evidence for your arguement beyond "trust me bro".
Be clear and specific in your arguments. How is being a genocidal imperialist (taking more land and destroying local culture) the same thing as being suicidal?
Let me ask you this. Do you speak russian? Have you ever lived there?
Russia has nuclear bombs that can reach the US. While they have a lot of "red lines" that have turned out not to be, it seems likely that hitting Moscow would be a real red line and the end the world.
Europe has the same ability to strike Russia that way, they don't for similar reasons.
Thank you for proving my point. The "end of the world" phrase was the cherry on top.
Believe it or not, I have a measure of understanding of American attitudes, both from living in the US and having American who friends with views across the spectrum on this issue.
A large ballistic strike on Moscow and SPB (at least 50 rockets, if not more) is exactly how you show the russians that you mean business.
At this point, westerners typically use "you're being emotional/unreasonable" or "I don't want nuclear war" type excuses.
This is all BS. Do you speak russian? Do you speak any other "local" languages? Have you ever lived in russia? Where? Can you provide 3 key bullet points for every decade of the 20th century w.r.t russian empire/USSR/modern Russia?
If you had any real knowledge of russian history you would see how your "end of the world" rhetoric isn't backed by reality (I am not just referring to 1962, other factors are important too).
P.S. You do understand that Ukraine regularly hits Moscow and has even hit the Kremlin?
Ukraine isn't the US. Your post scripts is pointless and your main script lacks anything more compelling than "trust me bro"
I could say the same about you.
No. You can't. I didn't have a post script or an assertion at all. I've only rejected yours for lack of evidence and asked you to provide absolutely any. You have thrice now failed to do so. Fuck off loser
Thank you for proving my point about you not having any arguments.
You come up with some end of the world scenario, fail to distinguish between genocidal imperialism and suicidal behaviour and then act all high and mighty.
Get the fuck out of here you little shit.
Jesus that's pathetic. Learn to read
Fuck off man. You are a lazy, cowardly American.
You don't even speak russian or Ukrainian. You wouldn't be able to outline 3 simple bullet points about key developments in say 1930s USSR if your life depended on it.
And you are going to lecture me with your bullshit?
Stick to losing to Trump and his proto-fascists. That's all you're good for!
Nah, see that's the whole issue here. I'm not lecturing you. I asked you for evidence because as you say "I don't speak Russian". You responded by being a shithead and proving you have no actual argument and I was right to dismiss your assertion
All you're doing is throwing a tantrum because you aren't educated enough to form a coherent argument which is, as I said, fucking pathetic
Don't play dumb.
You tell someone "Fuck off, loser!" and you expect them to bow down to you? Fuck right off.
Do you behave like this in real life too? Or are you just acting out online?
It's this toxic mix of ignorance, arrogance and cowardice is why you are dealing with Trump in your country.
For the record, an intelligent person would have gone back through this conversation hours ago and seen where you've lost the plot, but here we are, hours later and you still can't read
I told you to fuck off long after I had already determined you were incapable of formulating an argument or reading. The fact that it has taken four messages to explain this to you is in itself the point. Yes, I act exactly like this to ignorant morons who insist they're the smartest one in the room
I'm not the arrogant one here dipshit. You're just so slow you're only now realizing this conversation was over a long time ago
The first step to recovery is admitting that you are pathetic and need to change. So go on. Admit you're completely incapable of carrying on an actual train of thought and then seek help. A lack of skill can be fixed. Your holier than thou attitude that's completely preventing you from any self reflection? maybe not
With drones. A balistic missile strike is different from a nuclear missile strike only in the warhead in the missile. Firing missiles that could potentially be nukes (from the Russian perspective) from a nucelar power (the USA) at their capital is one of the few things that might actually trigger a nuclear war. Not the idiotic Russia bluster about Ukraine being given access to slightly better weapons, but a genuine possibility.
Who said the ballistic missiles need to be launched from the US?
Ukraine has already confirmed to have launched home made ballistic missiles at russia. Did anything happen?
Ukraine has targeted russian long range russian warning radars that are supposed to notify of nuclear launches, has anything happened?
Ukraine shot down russian strategic bombers that are part of their nuclear delivery capability, has anything happened?
Krasnov is as Krasnov does.