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Does one have to be an iconoclast or revolutionary these days to be validly left? I consider myself to be left of center, and very much in favor of progressive policies. (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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However I find myself being disagreed with quite often, mostly for not advocating or cheering violence, "by any means possible" change, or revolutionary tactics. It would seem that I'm not viewed as authentically holding my view unless I advocate extreme, violent, or radical action to accomplish it.

Those seem like two different things to me.

Edit: TO COMMUNISTS, ANARCHISTS, OR ANYONE ELSE CALLING FOR THE OVERTHROW OF SOCIETY

THIS OBVIOUSLY ISN'T MEANT FOR YOU.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Are you referring to liberals as "the left?" I think we are talking about different things here.

[–] GrappleHat@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Perhaps so. I'm in the US where lingo goes that "Democrats" & "Liberals" are "left", " Republicans" & "Conservatives" are "right".

Not sure how that translates globally, so apologies if it's confusing...

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

That's the Overton Window, a peak into a country's local positions with respect to the median. Generally, however, leftism is associated with Socialism, ie Worker Ownership of the Means of Production, while rightism refers to Capitalism, ie individual ownership of the Means of Production.

With respect to this post, Revolutionary Leftists are entierely Socialists, whether they be Anarchists or Marxists, not Liberals.

On the global scale, you would be considered right-wing, as America in general is a far-right country.

[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

Democrats=liberals and they aren't "left", they are only left of conservatives, and even then, only on social issues. Dems/libs are conservatives when it comes to fiscal/economic stuff. Which is why the true left has no representation in the US when it comes to the economy, and the 2 capitalist conservative parties will never allow them to have any.