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[–] Zeke@fedia.io 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

No one can be forced to vote for a specific person, but the options are currently democrat or dictatorship. Not voting is a vote for the dictatorship. If it weren't such a dangerous candidate then we wouldn't be pushing for this vote. Blocking your ears and saying "lalala" doesn't make things better. Ignorance won't be bliss.

[–] whoreticulture@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

You're being pretty disingenuous right now. I am telling you how this messaging is being received. The spaces I'm in on tiktok/instagram lean younger/more left than this site. The overwhelming response to this kind of rhetoric is frustration with this kind of messaging, which, has been at the forefront in several consecutive election cycles at this point. You can keep doing it, but it's just alienating people and giving off the message that there is no room for discussion amongst committed Democrats. An election is not going to be won by only appealing to moderate Democrats, and moderate Democrats are the only people who will be influenced by this kind of messaging.

The response to my comment alone proves my point. Nobody is engaging with it, everyone is just like ... well everyone should just vote for Biden because blah blah blah but not addressing the impact of this rhetoric, which I have explained, or the concerns amongst people not interested in voting for Biden.

[–] daltotron@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I think the biggest thing is just that I have seen amongst most of the zoomers a kind of instantaneous reaction when presented with a glut of information. They either reject it out of hand with some thought terminating cliche almost instantly, or they will voraciously try to find more, it's kind of a split between two extremes, and there's rarely a kind of casual lust that I think has maybe been the case more in the past. I think it's partially the internet, I think it's partially the fact that society is slowly rotting and all of the formalities are also rotting away, but yeah.

So I think that this casual do-gooder vote blue no matter who kind of mentality is not really appealing to most people I interface with. They're going to have more questions than that like 50% of the time, and then 50% of the rest of the time when they're on like, tiktok, or twitter, or some other echo chamber where they understand that it is all pure optics and neoreligious brainrot and there is no genuineness to be had, they just will out of hand be like "just put the fries in the bag, bro", kind of a deal. But yeah, I don't think the casual political engagement plays well.

[–] Zeke@fedia.io -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Nothing anyone says here is going to make a difference. Let them tuck their heads in the sand. I removed all my explainer of how the system works and doesn't work. I'm not gonna argue with zoomers who just want to make themselves look like a victim.

[–] whoreticulture@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Did I ask?

I'm talking about how a demographic is receiving certain messaging.

[–] whoreticulture@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I'm not a zoomer, like I said, I'm explaining my observations.

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social -2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

My county and state are deep red, my blue vote actually doesn't matter.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wonder how many people like you are there in your county and state.

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social -2 points 1 month ago

Not very many, clearly.

[–] Zeke@fedia.io 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There were deep red states that swung to purple because people actually went and voted. You are one out of many saying this and therefore making it worse. If you don't cast your vote then your vote actually means nothing and you've done nothing to change it.

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I never said I dont vote, just that it doesn't matter when I'm a very small minority. I'll believe my area can swing when I see it.

[–] Zeke@fedia.io 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do you know everyone in your area? Do you know who all is voting? I used to say the same thing and now I vote in all elections including midterm because I see all these people who keep saying that their votes don't matter and I never want to be part of that again. You are one out of hundreds saying the same thing who are part of the problem. Maybe if people actually used those few minutes to go vote then maybe that would change, but it'll never happen if you sit around being defeatist.

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 2 points 1 month ago

I've been to my county and state fairs, LOOTS of red hats. You again seem to be assuming that I just sit on my butt and do nothing when I've said nothing of the sort, there's a difference between being defeatist and acknowledging a very one sided battle.