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This is Left Praxis, LIBERALS would never understand the 4d chess involved in how Trump winning helps Palestine and American minorities.

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[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 8 points 1 month ago (58 children)

Oh, fuck off with this bullshit. Anyone politically conscious enough to call themselves a leftist is overwhelmingly more likely to cast a Biden vote than pretty much any other group you could carve out.

The left tells centrist morons how to appeal to average Americans. Centrist morons ignore the left. Average Americans stay home on election day. Centrist morons assume it's because they're leftists since the leftists warned them .

It's bad enough the left has to keep voting for establishment goons. It's intolerable that we are the first place they look for a scapegoat when they fall on their fat asses. Hillary lost because of Hillary, and that's on the Democratic establishment and primary voters who nominated an arrogant hag.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (15 children)

Anyone politically conscious enough to call themselves a leftist is overwhelmingly more likely to cast a Biden vote than pretty much any other group you could carve out.

Jesus, do you know how many people on here regularly swear against voting for Biden?

The left tells centrist morons how to appeal to average Americans.

Sweet Jesus, have you ever talked to an average American?

I support carving out more left positions, but if there is an electoral advantage, it would be in motivating left-leaning voters who are not deeply involved in the political process, not in swaying the 'average American' positively.

Like, man, I would love it if most people were left-leaning, but hearing this line time and time again, at this point it rings as hollow to me as the semiannual "I, a City Liberal, had waffles with these Common Folk and they're Not That Bad" articles that come out from liberal publications before every fucking election.

Living here, it's a different story.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 16 points 1 month ago (10 children)

And you think that is evidence of something? The exit polling was crystal clear. Bernie supporters overwhelmingly voted for Hillary in 2016 and for Biden in 2020. Who the fuck cares what online trolls say?

In the case where leftists might say they won't vote for Biden, odds are that they are venting or pushing for a better candidate. When it's Trump or Biden, most will come around unless some idiot causes them to harden their position. That's pretty much the standard human reaction to this kind of post.

If you are really concerned that the left won't show for Biden, there are ways of approaching the topic that aren't designed to alienate. You are far more likely to push people away than convince them to vote for Biden with your tone-deaf chastisements.

You might have fooled yourself that this is about helping Biden win, but that's bullshit. You are scratching an itch to declare your moral and intellectual superiority to the Internet. You don't give a flying fuck about the election, you just want to be smug. If you really cared about the election then you would find a better approach.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wow, you aren't wrong. OP then goes on to do exactly what you're saying, because they know they're definitely better than the "pseudoleftists".

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Fuck, man, if you think that being upset about shitheads advocating for literal fascism because "It's actually the MOST left action possible in this election!" is unreasonable, and thinking that maybe not welcoming them is a good course of action is smugness, I don't know what to tell you.

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